Statikk Shiv vs Phantom Dancer

Gentleman Gustaf here with a quick preparatory post for my upcoming AD Carry series. In calculating dps for AD Carries, there are really 5 separate statistics: AD, AS, Crit, Pen, and splash damage. Typically, AS and Crit or AS and splash damage are bundled together. There are two similar items, which give both AS and Crit: Statikk Shiv and Phantom dancer. This post will be a brief comparison of Phantom Dancer with the new Statikk Shiv.

What is Statikk Shiv?

Statikk Shiv is part of the AoE damage proposed for auto-attackers; it gives less AS and Crit Chance than PD, but gives an interesting passive. Every 100 charges (10 attacks or 2000 units moved), it releases a chain lightning spell that does 100 damage to up to 4 nearby targets. This damage can crit, taking into account the user's crit chance and damage. However, this passive does not have full multiplicativity. The chain lightning is magic damage, and so does not scale with Armor Penetration. Moreover, it has a base damage of 100, and does not scale with AD. As such, it is stronger the fewer items you have.

First, let us see how it fares in a full build. Let us assume that the average AD Carry has about 100 AD at level 18, with a base attack speed of .658 and a scaling attack speed of .03%/lvl. Also assume 15 AD, 4% attack speed, and 5% crit damage from masteries, as well as 15 AD from runes. Assuming an Infinity Edge, a Last Whisper, and a Bloodthirster, this gives an AD of 341, with a 25% chance of crits for 2.55 damage. Now we can add either PD or Statikk Shiv, giving us attack speeds of 1.35 and 1.28 respectively. This gives a dps of 852 for PD, and 743 for Statikk Shiv, with an additional 22 dps for each target hit by the lightning. Assuming the minimum number of targets hit (1), this gives a compared dps of 852 to 764 (rounding), and assuming the maximum gives a compared dps of 852 to 830. Even adding in additional damage from Shiv (movement also charges it, so kiting will give more damage) does not make a huge difference, changing the lower bound to 775, and the upper bound to 873. Below is a charts, detailing dps comparisons of PD and SS assuming standing and auto attacking:

The following chart shows the same comparisons, but assuming kiting.

As we can see from the above charts, our basic summary of SS from above is accurate: it is stronger than PD as a first or second item, but loses its scaling efficiency as the game goes on. As such, I would prefer Statikk Shiv on champions who have weaker mid games but solid late games, like Tristana and Varus, as it can shore up their weaknesses, and their late game strength will make up for the item's slightly lower dps. It also has obvious benefits like AoE damage for pushing/counter-pushing over Phantom Dancer. Moreover, given that it is cheaper by about 300 gold, and builds from Avarice Blade, I think practically speaking, Statikk Shiv is probably the better purchase, especially given the importance of the midgame. Only on champions who really need the late game strength (Ashe) or who are low range (Vayne/Sivir) would I consider PD over SS. Well, that and Draven, because depending on where his axes go, you can't actually control your kiting run distance that well. Just be careful of 1v1 duels with AD Carries who went for PD.

 


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  • #46 Benegesserit

    ITT people underrating ignoring unit collision. You can't calculate that into your little spreadsheets.

  • #31 PathToEternity

    I can't seem to determine from the item descriptions, and I've not taken the time to try it ingame: will the SS triple-proc with a Hurricane?

  • #34 GentlemanGustaf

    Each attack will give you 30 stacks. You won't get three lightnings. By the way, nice WoT picture :P

  • #37 PathToEternity

    Thank you, sir - three weeks left!

    Hurricane is pretty interesting to me, but I'm torn as to whether it's a noob trap or not and, if not, when the appropriate time is to pick it up. The application of on hit effects just strikes me as having some real stellar potential.

  • #38 MerryLane

    If I may give my opinion, I think Hurricane is decent on some champions and in some build paths.

    For instance, I think some AD casters such as Caitl, Draven and Graves can enjoy it.
    If you purchase, I don't know, Bloodthirster, Blade of the ruined king, Black cleaver or LW, a hurricane can be a decent purchase and allow you to turn back from a pure "ad caster build" into something a bit more "ad carry" that can deal with anti-carries (such as olaf).

    The use of Hurricane hardly mixes with the crit multiplicativity, and if you get a PD or a statik shyv you shouldn't need that much the AS anymore. But as you said, the application of on hit effects screws calculations.

  • #39 sgtcolon

    Just to clarify. Does that mean if you moved between attacks you'd have an SS proc up for every attack as long as you hit 3 targets each time? (If that makes any sense... i.e. 90 stacks from 1 auto-attack that hits 3 targets and an easy 10 from moving slightly). I mean it doesn't really change anything in the grand scheme of things, but it sure would be a cool light show :D

     

    Last edited by sgtcolon 12/17/2012 4:32:58 AM
  • #40 GentlemanGustaf

    three weeks left indeed :D The first book came out a month before I was born, and I'll be glad to finish it off.

    I think Hurricane is only worthwhile with champions who have strong on-hit effects. I'd get it in combination with Bloodthirster, for sure. As far as AS items go, I'm torn between Zephyr and Statikk Shiv, depending on the champion (basically on how much they like CDR)

     

  • #41 GentlemanGustaf

    Sorry, I may have stated that poorly. The 30 is for all 3 hits from Hurricane. So it would take 3 hits.

  • #42 MerryLane

    Quote from GentlemanGustaf »

    three weeks left indeed :D The first book came out a month before I was born, and I'll be glad to finish it off.

    I think Hurricane is only worthwhile with champions who have strong on-hit effects.

     

    Anyone can purchase blade of the ruined king ... So what about hurricane on champions that don't have particular built in on-hit, but would purchase a build path similar to one i described two posts before?

  • #43 sgtcolon

    Oh wow. Yer, that really does suck then :D It's clearly very biased towards kiting. Seems fair enough tbh or it might be a touch OP in high AS builds.

    P.s. WoT fan here too, although I'm not sure fan is really the right word! (I just need to find out wtf happens at the end finally!) I guess we are about the same age then as the first book came out the same year I was born too ;)

  • #45 Benegesserit

    @MerryLane

    Cait? AD caster? wut

    Last edited by Benegesserit 12/17/2012 1:50:35 PM
  • #47 MerryLane

    Caitlyn is an ad carry, of course.

    But like for Graves, her damage output from her physical spells outshines her dps untill lategame.

  • #48 benblue4

    It does NOT work on Draven's axes. Hurricane is useless on him. 

    Last edited by benblue4 12/18/2012 11:34:25 PM
  • #49 sgtcolon

    Would be surprised if it did (read it would be a glitch) as his axes are an on next attack ability (like Sivir's W) rather than on-hit effect, which people have discussed countless times now!

    Not trying to be a dick, just saying that RH was never intended for champions like Draven.

     

  • #50 MerryLane

    Yeah forgot how Hurricane wasn't good on Draven.

    But there is still the possibility of purchasing, idk, stattik shyv or IE instead, for the same build.

    Last edited by MerryLane 12/19/2012 12:40:30 AM
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