Picking For and Against Team Compositions

Picking to win in Solo Queue

Ever have a game where there’s a Shaco jungle and so the guy who goes top picks Zed and the guy who goes Mid picks Fizz, and you have no ability to deal with the huge Lee Sin, Cho’Gath, Olaf, Dr. Mundo, or other fatty who is just leading the charge to push your towers down? What happens in those games? One of those guys might get fed, then he takes out one person per teamfight then has to excape, while the rest of the team dies or just has to run while the objectives get lost. There is no AOE!

Me, I hate that. Do you? Well, you have the chance to affect that by your own choice. Many people do not pay attention.

But you…you can pay attention to the tide of the champion select process. You can know what to do.

Building a team composition isn’t easily, but going over a list of questions I’ve got will help give you a better idea of what to think about before making your pick. I’m going on the assumption that you are good with more than one champion. I am not advising you to select a counter based on crowd-sourced wisdom that is a champion you’ve never played in a matchup you know nothing about! I wash my hands of this.

But some of us have three or four possibilities, and if it’s a role you’ve got a lot of experience at, maybe you’ve got half a dozen, or maybe even ten or more.

Questions for you and your pick:

Does your champion fill multiple roles?

What I mean by this is does a champion play more than position, or can that champion take more than one build? LeBlanc is highly narrow. Cho’Gath can go AP, Tank, or AP/Tank, and jungle, top, or even the recently trendy mid. Some Cho’s get Wit’s End, and others don’t. Lee Sin can go top and jungle, and can now go mid. Zyra can go mid or support. Vladimir can go top or mid, as can Pantheon. The more roles a champion fits, the safer they are because when the other team picks, they can’t be sure they’re facing you, you can always ask for a lane switch, or you can simply use a different rune page depending on matchup. If there is a low magic team, I have a movespeed page with ap/lvl glyphs instead of MR. My Singed, Rumble, and Elise all have access to both of those for varying matchups.  

Is there anyone on the other team that can’t be dealt with?

Look carefully. Is there a champion that doesn’t have any threats from you guys? Someone slippery that can’t be locked down, someone tanky that no one can engage, someone bursty that can’t be bursted or tanked? Someone with stealth from whom there is no anti-stealth moves? Make sure you have an answer to everyone. If your team doesn’t, it’s on you to do so.

Does your potential choice mix well with your teammates?

This is obvious for bottom lane but too many times I see some mid or top think “oh boy I counter my lane” then they don’t do well when fighting someone from another lane. Sometimes I’ll see a Fizz that counters the other mid but has to stay a mile away from the top and jungler. If that is even slightly risky he should’ve picked someone else.

Do you provide something new to the team, an unaccounted gap?

Does your team have zero poke and you’re going to provide it? What about meat? What about cc? There are all kinds of attributes champions possess. In my first example, going Fizz when there is a Shaco and Zed already means you’re not contributing much that’s new to the team. You’re an assassin that tries to instantly kill one person, then get out. You already have two other of those guys, man.

How will the teamfights go?

Try to imagine how small and large teamfights will go. Do your champions harmonize? What kind of combos does the other team bring to the table, and what combos will your pick bring to the table?

Team Checklist

Here are some more specifics about team composition that you can apply in both solo queue and in ranked 5’s.

Area of Effect (AOE) damage

If too many people are single target damage, and they have a good enough front line, you’ll blow everything on one person and have not enough to show for it. Then the team runs you over.

Crowd Control (cc)

This is not just a matter of if you have enough cc abilities. If you have 4 slows and there is a Garen or Vladimir on the team, a slow won’t matter as much as it would on other champions. If there is a Gangplank, he will require more CC should he get fed.

Poke

Is there a lot of poke? At objectives, effective poke can give an advantage, or even end a fight before it starts. If a key squishy target on your team got hit by moves like Jayce’s Shock Blast, Orianna’s ball, Nidalee’s spear, Corki’s Missiles, or Ezreal’s Mystic Shot’s and now has 2/3 or less health and your team is at a disadvantage, you’ve been effectively poked. 

Burst

Sometimes the only way to deal with someone before they get out of control is to kill them right away, or they will wreck your team, even if they suicide. If you stun someone and they get all their moves off before they die, they still might have done more than their weight, and they’ll win the 4v5 afterwards. Heavy burst or burst champions are not always necessary, but it’s nice to have at least one source and some champions or team compositions require you have some to beat them.

Meat

I dislike the term “tank” or “tanky” because the role of tank in this game is not the same as it is in MMORPG’s. At any rate you need someone with lasting power. You don’t have to have an Alistar or Rammus or Shen on your team, but you should have someone who can absorb burst, someone who can facecheck, someone that can take the turret damage, someone that can dive, someone that can last.

Sustained Damage

I once saw a team with Alistar, Taric, Morgana and Singed on it. They lasted a very long time in fights, but they still lost. You need at least one other champion besides the ad carry that will continue to dish out damage. Could be Jax, could be Orianna, could be Kennen, could be Jayce, whatever. Just get someone who can spam some basic attacks and/or abilities so that eventually, if a person is caught, they will die, and eventually, if your team has higher defensive stats, they’ll win. 

Gap Closers

Some champions, such as Lux, Ziggs, Nidalee, Jayce, or Ezreal, are very hard to get to without taking a lot of damage, and sometimes even impossible. It is important that someone on your team be able to get to them.

Magical and Physical Damage

This is not nearly as important as it used to be, with the Season 3 changes. If you are out of balance, err on the side of physical, but it’s nice to have some magic damage on the team to help with burst and to make the other team either divert money to MR or be punished for not doing so.

Mobility and Disengage

How good is your team at disengaging if they overcommitted? How good are they at escaping? Do you have enough people that are good at getting out? Do you have people that can help others get out, such as Zilean, Nidalee, or Jayce, or Janna?

Peeling

To peel is to prevent a champion from being able to pursue or attack another champion. A great peeler is Alistar or Janna, who have two or three moves capable of preventing someone from getting in, if not just shoving them out entirely.

Examples

Here are a couple of examples of choices I had to make in solo queue. I’ll tell you what I picked and why.

 This does not look good for our team. They have tons of dunking, sustained damage, meat, and gap-closing abilities. Furthermore, it’s going to be hard to get to Caitlyn and our CC is not enough to stop them.

My plan? Ask Zyra to trade me so I could be support so that she could be used as an anti-dive teammate. If they kill both Akali and Zyra quickly or fend them off, we can’t do much. But if we got a better cc mid, we would have a better chance to back up our Varus.

This game ended with a dodge, fortunately, so I didn’t have to play it or find out whether the Zyra would trade (which I doubt she would have).

Next.

This team has a nice mix of shenanigans, burst, and sustained damage, but theirs looks better at this point. The team doesn’t mix well with Graves at all, and there’s not much options for peeling Nocturne off of any of us. Wukong, Kennen, and Elise are all great initiators, but they have poor disengage.

The champion I picked was Lulu, and this served to be a good choice throughout the game. Graves disconnected and I was someone that was able to actually farm and make some aggressive roam plays before they realized he was gone. He did come back, fortunately. Also fortunate was that everyone on the team was competent, so despite my reservations, we were able to do three nice teamfights in a row. It didn’t matter whether Elise, Wukong, or Kennen initiated—I’d ult whoever got in first or whoever was taking the most damage, and my other cc, worked well. If Riven or Nocturne chased, I slowed them both. If we were chasing or someone needed to get away, I could Cupcake or speed-buff. I had some burst of my own, and with Wraith Collar and Malady (I got somewhat fed) I was able to help with the damage and help us to actually kite more.

Of course, Lulu is a good pick a lot of the time anyway, but I’m 8-3 with her this season as of that game. We very much won it even though Graves disconnected.

May your picks subtly bring your team closer to victory. 

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Comments

  • #41 abrb2011

    I'm not in anyway insulting you, but I feel that your choice examples are short-sighted. The first example I could understand, they had a pretty scary team to deal with in one pick. I do have a problem with your second example though. I don't take issue with your pick, Lulu is a good pick, especially with Graves and that team. I don't know bot matchups, so I don't know how Lulu/Graves would fare against Taric/Ezreal, but we seem to be focusing on teamfights and mid/late game rather than laning phase so that's what I have a problem with in your reasoning. I think your second example is more of an example of you trying to fit it to the article afterwards.

    Graves doesn't synergize well with all of that AoE initiation and damage? That makes little sense, he's a strong skirmisher with good defensive stats and an escape/gap-closer, as well as an AoE ult to stack on top. He is strong when fending for himself along with a support like Lulu (good choice sir) and your team as-is was a well prepared team for what their team had to offer which seemed rather hodge-podge and not well thought out past counter picking Wukong with Riven (which isn't an impossible or entirely one-sided lane for WK anyways.)

    Come skirmish and teamfights, they will have a hard time getting to your Graves and if they get clumped and initiated on it's unlikely they would be able to survive long enough to retaliate afterwards, your team is over all way stronger for teamfights if you're prepared and aren't diving 1 by 1.

    So again, I feel that your choice was an extremely good one, but your assertion that their team looked better seems more like a hasty description to fit the theme. Your team, from the perspective of someone who's done a LOT of research recently on team composition and team versus team synergy, seems pretty well rounded versus their team, if not outright better thanks to the intense AoE CC your team has on top of all the damage. The only weakness before your pick that I thought was truly glaring was a peel for Graves in case of Noct and Riven, but you made a good choice against that weakness. Beef was semi-missing, but Wukong can do his job and do tons of damage while still building very, very hefty.

    Also, beyond that, I want to thank you for the article, the second example was my only qualm about it, the rest was golden and very informative for players new to team composition theory and picking theory. Have a good one!

    Last edited by abrb2011 on 1/19/2013 5:26:52 PM
  • #39 dumbitdownjr

    On the last game i would have picked Ali maybe although lulu was a good choice also. He is good with graves in my opinion plenty of meat which your team seemed to be lacking and great peel.

  • #36 eebros

    On the first example, you thought about picking taric vs 4 ad team? You would have won the game pretty easily tbf.

  • #34 Tarmean

    I find this a very good shortversion of your article. Not terribly helpful, but sometimes quite nice if you are uncertain which role/champion would be best fit with the current team situation.

    By the way, here the groups are:

    • AoE Soft CC

    • AoE Hard CC

    • AoE Defense

    • AoE Offense

    • Soft CC

    • Hard CC

    • Initiate

    • Sustain

    • Shield

    • Poke

    • Global Influence

    • Self Buffs

    • Buffs

    • Debuffs

    • Gapclosers

    • Zoning

    Though it's less focused on damage/kind of damage/tankiness and more towards champion traits.

    Last edited by Tarmean on 1/4/2013 3:01:12 PM
  • #33 Zerglinator

    Wait wait wait, doesn't Fizz have a good Grievous Wounds ability that helps against Cho'Gath, Olaf, Dr. Mundo, and Lee Sin? I find your examples questionable.

  • #37 Matrillik

    There's also a grievous wounds summoner spell, and 2 grievous wounds items in the game. The point he was making had nothing to do with limiting healing. It had to do with dealing with health stacking.

  • #32 Tetrahydro

    Like the article right until it got to the examples

    I think the examples are kinda weak, the first one you saying they have a better team. they have 4 ad... so you would just pick a tanky support and thonrmail and probably laugh at them and to catch a caitlyn aint too hard with leona or an ali using flash+q or if they dumb just w>q

    For the seconond comp your team is trololol aoe and most of your team does have great disengage when played properly and you saying picking lulu helps you farm but tbh with any ranged support its easy to farm as long as you can last hit. Agreed that lulu probably was a good choice since her synergy with wu is amazing and if you get a shard of true ice then you are turning wu into a huge slowing spinning killing machine but at the same time if you look at the comp you have no real tank. Sure as lulu you have a slow and polymorph but when you think about how useful is it compared to what other could do against that comp i felt it somewhat lacking and your chose to be a support with dps wither than a full beefy support. Slowing a riven aint gonna do much considering how much she bounce around, ez has his low  cd mini flash,noc ult can jump right on you so with some tenacity it shouldn't be so hard for them to catch you. The fact that you could win without graves just makes me think they are bad anyway

  • #30 gouv1

    Hello,

    Interesting article, it could be extended by more "what would you pick and why" pictures. Or we could make that a forum thread. Anyway I have two comments on your post:

    • As someone said, your first compo was better. Zyra+Varus+Cho against a dive comp is good. Just go Leona or Taric and let Akali dive Caitlyn and whoever 2v1 for the win.
    • Support picks aren't the most interesting. I understand you picked these cases because you were last pick, and they left you to support however a lot of the points you listed cant be brought by support (aoe dmg, poke, burst, sustained dmg,...). Anyway I feel like you mostly take support for the cc/meat/laning they offer, and most supports are okay most of the time.

    I'm looking forward to how we could follow up on this post, maybe with the help of a very high elo player (maybe not a pro because he would probably say "ahah SoloQ just pick w/e")

  • #31 BuddyBoombox

    Welcome to season 3!  Supports now get items!  Glad you could join us!
    Sarcasm aside, Lulu offer poke, Zyra gets pretty bursty, and Sona can provide AP.  Now that we have items as supports, you don't just sit on the sidelines anymore.  I've even finished lulu off with a Rab's DC and helped out our mid lane Zyra who laned poorly against their opponent. 

    A sig I guess.

  • #35 gouv1

    Items are the same for every support to purchase they just emphasize their strenghts they cant be considered in the pick phase

  • #38 BuddyBoombox

    Items are the same for every support?  Are we playing the same game?  I see... sightstone.  every support needs it, everything else is optional.

     

    A sig I guess.

  • #40 gouv1

    get better

    edit: :-)

    Re-edit: finally, not :-)

    Last edited by gouv1 on 1/8/2013 12:42:36 PM
  • #29 ameet8888
    Nice, got much better view on this now , Thanks a lot !
  • #28 Migotliv

    This is an awesome article. I have a strong interest in the theory and practice of forming and assessing team compositions, but outside of learning from experience (which boils down to trial and error) there isn't really that much good study material on this. This article fills that gap very well.

    Much thanks, Old Man Eyebrows.

  • #26 EYEtriforc3

    Great article, something that realy look out for also is the jungler and top, it feels like if the jungler isnt going tanky it means that the top has to be tanky more or less, sure a alistar can go tank mode but can he soak enough damage alone ? Alistar should be focusing on peeling as prio 1

    Oldschool gamer, gamer since birth

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