What should you do vs. AD Mids?

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Oh no! Another ad mid! You’ve seen it, and you know it works now. Talon, Kha’Zix, Pantheon, Zed, and Lee Sin bursting you with physical damage, and you don’t have the AP/armor items to handle them, or the knowhow. Sometimes you’ll see  Renekton, Xin Zhao, Jarvan IV, Jax, Wukong, or Vi in there too.

The reason that the AD mid meta is so frustrating is because most people don’t pay attention to what metas are, much less have to analyze and develop a response to meta changes, especially when people complain.

Fortunately, there are solutions.

The Old Meta

So first, a very simplified and shortened history of the mid meta. For most of Season 2, farming and pushing mages like Morgana, Anivia, Gragas, Ryze, Karthus, Orianna, and Twisted Fate were used for their spam damage, team fight presence, and ability to be highly defensive in passive in lane, yet capable of making big plays.

For a short season after that, Katarina, Eve, and Diana, were the biggest mids. This meta was dry and revolved around Deathfire Graps.

Now, we have a meta that isn’t solidly defined yet, but burst AD assassins are now viable and one of the biggest changes we’ve seen. What to do?  

New Ideas

Being anti-burst or tanky is possibile solution to an AD mid opponent. You might protest, “then we won’t have magic damage.” First off, that doesn’t have to be true, and second off, that doesn’t matter as much as it did in Season 2.  As long as the team comp is well-mixed and is done right, you can do that different pick. 

Take armor seals. Take champions that could use Zhonya's, Frozen Heart, or Gauntlet off of a Chainmail purchase. Take a bottle vs. spam harrassers like Pantheon. And never, no matter how your teammates whine, ever feel you have to take a mage that cannot handle whoever it is that is at mid. Shield effects help, but Orianna is better than, say, Galio

I’m also going to list some possibilities for mid picks. Some of these have already been seen and tested. Others are speculation. This is only a list of champions against AD mids, not mid in general. One can only talk about so much.

Champions to take Mid vs. AD Mids

Master Yi

Most AD mids don’t have a way to stop his healing. He can run away easily, and his Alpha Strike harass is a pain to deal with. Can also use Alpha Strike to avoid some moves.

Nidalee

Kite city vs. the right person. Ranged, heal, poke, and when they finally do get in range, she’s got her own moves to use.

Nunu

Super high base stats, and good scaling. If they jump in, snowball, ult, and end it early if you’re that worried. Easier to get some free spells too since the opponent will be melee.

Taric

AP Taric has great sustain from free armor, heals, free mana, and his 3-hit combo. Deathfire Grasp and Lich Bane are great options. Frozen Heart if your team needs it. His combo hurts badly, especially against squishies.

Cho’Gath

Natural health, great sustain, the anti-burst champ. You can go Abyssal Scepter / Frozen Heart, or you can go Rod of Ages and another AP item, survive the burst, then eat them.

Sion

Similar to Taric. However, if they get the lead, they will be able to burst your shield down and you will be free for the rest of the game.

Kayle

Early game harrass and keep the lead. When they go all-in, ult yourself at the beginning. If they are smart and save all their moves, kite by slowing and then running. Keep harassing. Push against those that don’t farm well under the tower.

Jayce

Highly flexible and able to handle a lot of mid matchups, he can poke or go all-in himself. In melee form he has the free early armor and mana regen. Basically, all the strengths Jayce brings to top he brings to mid. And if he’s hard to gank at top, how hard is he to gank at mid? When he gets blue he can spam his Q into oblivion. He also roams really well from mid.

Singed

Again—hard to kill at top, hard to kill at mid. You can build more AP. If they go all-in, ult. Flip with ganks. Flip into tower. You can also play conservatively and outfarm and outroam.

Urgot

Get a bottle, then an early chain mail. Harrass hard. If you get behind, farm with Q. If you get ahead, freeze and keep them highly zoned by keeping your ult up by your tower. This is mid. The tower distance is much, much smaller.

Xerath

You really have to know what you’re doing with this. You have to get to 6 first and intact, then blow up, or you’ll lose. His passive doesn’t help much.

Skarner

Highly niche, but his Q spam is .2 AP ratio when it gets to magic, and his E has .7, and his W scales with AP, and his ult scales 1.0. Wait to 6 then blow up. If they get close, use W and Q to harrass them off.

Malphite

His ult has a 1.0 AP ratio, and his Q has .6. Then there’s the fact Malphite is great vs. Ads and hard to all-in. You can go your usual top build or you can go a little more magic focused.

Blitzcrank

You probably won’t get to do this. But you’ve got a shield, an opportunity to farm a Tear, and you can go AD or AP. His AP ratios are high. Whichever build you use make sure you have enough damage on your team or that the other team has enough squishies for you to blow up.

Rumble

Shield spam, harpoon kiting, and flame harrass. Don’t lose the lead early or you will repeatedly get bursted.

Gangplank

High level 1 stats, the orange, and Parley harrass. Don’t go tanky. Get a lot of damage. You want to outburst anyone. GP doesn’t have better burst as a champ until his crit is stacked, but if he has a gold lead, his high early health and his orange, coupled with his passive, means he’ll shoot, they’ll go in, he’ll orange, then he’ll slow them. If they get out, he’ll shoot them again.

Before long he might be considered part of the typical AD mids.

Pantheon

Or, you know, you could just say if you can’t beat ‘em, join ‘em (and then beat ‘em). But no one wants to read “just do what they do” as a strategy, now, do they?

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Comments

  • #54 Cerbereth

    If your gonna do the if you can't beat them join them thing just go caitlyn mid. Trap the bushes and farm until late game while your enemies start to whine to the talon how useless he is late game.

  • #55 drkmgic

    i dont know late game talon can difinitely instagib most squishes. 

  • #56 Cerbereth

    Personally I don't see ad mid becoming a thing in anything but soloque as the cost to your team for using an ad mid is really high. In Soloque you can play the sword of the occult game and just carry your team with your killing sprees.

     

  • #57 Rewenger

    Most AD mids function similarly to roaming AP's like Katarina or Evelynn. Therefore, if you have a magic damage on your team at top/jungle etc, you can allow yourself to take an AD mid. The main benefit AD mids have over AP's is that their early game is usually MUCH stronger. Up to the point when opposing ap mid is decapitated. The main drawbacks are generally having worse scalings/not quite devastating spells/harder to come back if behind.

  • #58 nipplesofdoom

    im sorry, have you heard of a thing called competetive play? two weekends in a row and one in the future there are proffesional tourneys being played. watch'em and be amazed by how many bruisers go mid. alexich even went olaf mid yesterday. whatever works with the team is viable in the meta now. 

  • #59 Cerbereth

    Well I have heard of competitive play although this "competetive" play you speak of is a mystery to me.

    Grammar jokes aside pro players play what is strong at the moment as they need to otherwise they would lose, but look at the big picture There are 110 champions in the game counting thresh, and 29 of those champions(26 percent) are mages. Riot is not going to flush 26 percent of their work down the toilet especially considering that it means saying goodbye to 26 percent of their sales as well. If bruisers and ad mids have a good showing mid to the point where mages are marginalized Riot will "balance mages" which means blanket buffs for ap or their itemization or nerfs to ad mid. It's pretty much already started Ryze got buffs for a reason.

    You can use ad mid if you want to, but I recommend sticking with the reliable mage.

  • #60 nipplesofdoom

    of course the game will be balanced in a few weeks or months but saying that 'I don't see ad mid becoming a thing' is just a shot in the dark. everything is viable in the current meta and i do believe when the meta settles down we will see unconventional picks all around the game. these few weeks just shows how we can play in the upcoming nerfs to bruisers or buffs to the mage class. still i think both will be good enough to go anywhere.

    to be clear, i hate ad mid, i feel like it's an abomination to the ap mid meta but we gotta adapt. 

  • #61 Cerbereth

    In the short term I would recommend taking flat armor seals mid or having a page that does for your mages so you can switch to it when your vs a talon or pantheon. So yes in a sense we do need to adapt in that when we go ap mid we need to be ready to fight ad mid.

    In hindsight "I don't see ad mid becoming a thing" was too vague and meaningless. I would have been better to say stick to using your ap mid and just wait for Riot to balance the game, and don't be the guy who thinks it's gonna last and switches to all ad mids and blows all his ip on ad mid champions and rune pages for them, because that guy is gonna be hurting in a few weeks.

     

    PBE is pretty much all Riot testing lower prices on ap items and higher prices on bloodthirster with nerfs to the armor debuff on blackcleaver, so it won't be long now.

  • #53 stealthattack1

    singed mid actually fitting into the meta? me gusta! 

  • #43 FleurDeLiz

    You don't necessarily need a straight counterpick to anything short of Talon, you just need a pick that can defend themselves and retaliate effectively.

    And you have to play with the right mindset. If you feel like you're fighting uphill before you've thrown a single spell, you've already lost the lane, you just don't know it yet.

  • #40 guy420

    Solution to AD mids: turn mid lane into top lane.

  • #41 ZeKlive

    Tank Annie, they'll never see it coming =)

     

  • #37 ZeKlive

    Wonder if there was any post about the meta history in general? It'd be really interesting to see how it evolved from season to season, and for each main role (given that the common known roles we're still pretty vague back in season 1).

  • #38 K0stra

    I think Stonewall had a post on the evolution of lanes (point was about learnin from lanes if i recall but he covered history pretty nicely).

     

  • #39 ZeKlive

    So far I've found his article on the history of junglers, categorized by type and the evolution of the jungle in general (pretty darn good too). I think a little history lesson on the game in general would be great for new players. It would give them an idea old meta, how it got countered or why it changed. We get so comfortable in our current ways that we sometimes fall into old tricks, and we forget how to react to them.

     

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