Twisted Treeline items, a small little help-you post. A TT item review.

This post is going to be short, but I think the subject matter can help a lot of people. Twisted Treeline items, which is good and what champions really excel at using them? I figured I'd just make this, it's gonna be short, but I see lots of people playing TT with the wrong items and I just figured I'd give a little help out to people. 

Blade of the whatever it's called. (Blade of the ruined king.)

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40 damage, 10% lifesteal. Deals 4% current HP in magic damage to enemies then you heal 50% of damage dealt. The active steals 30% of MS and deals 150 + 50% AD PHYSICAL damage and heals you for damage dealt. (Really complex.)

Just call it blade. It's good on: EVERYONE. Well it's good on bruisers. Because it's SO GOOD on bruiser it actually makes ranged AD still bad. Ironic? You bet! It's godmode on Udyr, It's incredible on Xin/Warwick, and it's good on pretty much every bruiser who has a decent attack speed steroid and does physical damage. 

I highly recommend you first build this item as it builds out of the amazing cutlass which makes ganks in TT incredibly easy. Especially with how gank based TT is an item that helps make your ganks more powerful is incredibly good. Once you combine and make the Blade you can kill anyone off of the proc's effect alone. This item is good-good-good. SUPER GOOD. This item is so good even bruisers who typically just build trinity as their only real damage (Xin Zhao, Udyr, etc) will want this item. 

Dunno what else to say, it's really freakin good. 

 

Grez's Spectral Lantern. 

Stats are basically Wriggle's minus the lifesteal, plus an effect that reveals stealth in an AoE. I really don't feel like typing them out.

Uhhh I havn't really ever wanted this item, it's really niche. It' a tier 1 item (AKA its basic, it's smaller than a phage.) Gives little amounts of damage, armor, jungling speed, and a weird stealth detecting active. If you're a slow jungler who needs to be tankier and also see stealth champions this is your item. If not? Just build cutlass -> blade or straight in to a bigger item so you can gank out of the jungle better. It could be decent on junglers the need to maintain speed, but because TT quickly outscales the jungle (due to increased gold and levels) you don't really ever need help jungling like on SR. 

No lifesteal makes this item pretty pointless compared to Lantern. Where as Lantern makes most champions 0 health loss in the jungle, this still makes you lose HP in a jungle that isn't even hard enough to warrant wriggles. 

Lord Van Damm's Pillager. 

40 attack damage, 350 health, 10% CDR, 10% spell vamp, 25 armor pen.

Good item, and it can be combo'd with brutalizer to create a super early game for physical damage bursters. Don't really need to talk more about it seeing as how everyone is already building it since it's an AD caster item that's real. While not a REAL AD caster item since it doesn't scale your AD, it does let you get 1 more AD item (letting you reach 4 AD items now!) for an AD caster build. 

So freakin good.

Wicked Hatchet.

20 attack damage, 18% critical strike. Every attack (not based on an active) reduces healing by 50%.

Causes tons of damage to healers, but sort of weak otherwise. Against a Mundo it's good, against a WW it's alright, but other than them it really won't do much. It's a counter item though, so it does do its job and nothing more. Solid counter item though. Just because your opponent bought some life steal does not make this a solid item. Note that this item is incredibly low damage for how much it costs so even against someone like WW I'd be wary of buying it. If you're someone like Talon this is not the item for you. 

No lifesteal but having attack damage makes this item a little more and a little less useful. I'd say overall better than executioner's. 

Blackfire Torch.

50 ability power. 300 health. 350 mana. Your damaging spells burn 5% of your opponent's current HP over 3 seconds, half damage for DoTs or AoEs. 

Pretty good if you rush it, but ehhhh. It's almost always solid purchase, but it doesn't have the impact that Pillager or Blade do for their classes. This is ON PAR with the best AP items, but it's not BLATANTLY BETTER like Pillager or Blade. Champions like Teemo can make great use of this item due to it proccing on Shrooms, and champions like Cassiopeia synergize great with it. I wouldn't go buy it on Mord though or something like that. ADDITIONALLY, void staff is almost ALWAYS a better purchase for dealing with tanks. 

Good item, worth buying, good in a rush because of the items it builds from. AP champions though will not that this + void staff counters tanks. This + not void staff does NOT counter tanks. Void staff counters tanks, this is just a solid AP item. It's not really the same item as DFG though, it's a sustained damage item. 

Overlord's Bloodmail.

It's crap. 

A piece of crap. Never build it. Any other item will give more survivability, and it doesn't give enough HP to synergize with champions who want to stack health. What's more, it's proc tends to overlap constantly on kills, and because so many people take healing debuffs, ignites, wicked hatchet, etc. it's not even assured to be of use. Just very meh.

With no passive regeneration and significantly less HP than warmogs it's nowhere near warmogs in strength. Warmogs which is, at best, a niche item for a couple champions who sometimes buy it. 

Wooglet's Witchcap.

100 ability power. 10% movespeed. +25% total AP.

A good solid item for APs. Though I question the movement speed on it, it makes most mages FASTER than bruisers and really screws with the balance. Cassioepeia for example becomes nearly impossible to deal with for melee that have no or few gap closers. 

Next patch it might get armor (might) which will solve the issue APs are having right now with pillager+brutalizer rush champions 100-0 combing them. On the other hand, it'll make champions who are buying those items (who tend to be assassins) unable to kill them. Mord with this item will just be untouchable to ADs or aassassins.

As compared to Deathcap it's blatantly superior. Blatantly. And cheaper. The item was added pretty much directly to make APs more viable against bruisers and it somewhat overcompensates but it's fine because Blade/Pillager overcompensate for bruisers too.

Final notes on TT:

AP champs are still decent, AD carries are meh, bruisers are good, tanks are good. Most teams should be damage bruiser, AP, tank. Some ADs can do decently here, but you really gotta make your team revolve around them. This map uses bruisers as the sustained damage instead of ADs. Which is fine considering ADs own SR. 

The items make item builds on this map favor damage/tanky instead of tanky/tanky builds on bruisers. Blade is practically a must-buy, and Pillager gives champions like Lee Sin/Renekton something to do with their brutalizer. The unfortunate side effect is that Pillager makes it even easier to 1-combo ADs. The balance on the map overall though is significantly better, and unlike before a team can properly be built with most champions (at least as many as SR) with real team comps that aren't bruiser-tank-tank. 

I have had success with EVERY champion type. So, don't turn around and tell me how weak you think, for example, APs are. APs have gotten a ridiculously good item in Witchcap, and the faster map starts have helped champions that were a little weak to get in the game better. However, the maps still spend a lot more time early/mid game than Dominion so champions like Talon still tend to do at least decently here. 

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Comments

  • #33 Michealmas

    Wait.....Pillager stacks with Brutalizer????? WHY DID I NOT KNOW THIS?!?!?

    Please excuse me while i go wreck some faces.


    Side Note: Anyone know if they plan to bring Pillager over to Summoners Rift? So many Brutalizers going to waste late game on my junglers and i hate having to buy a Youmou's

  • #25 Blacknsilver

    I don't like Lord van Damme's at all. I compared it to a BT on riven and... BT was way, way better. More damage, more lifesteal, more reliable. Van damme gives some arpen and CDR but way less AD and lifesteal so I can't see myself using it over BT.

  • #26 Gprinziv

    Riven's also about as much of an AD caster as Graves. She's got some great ratios, don't get me wrong, but she's still reliant on autoattacking to get the most of her damage off. She's reliant on Attack Speed more than CDR, she's not reliant on spell vamp, and her coodlowns are longer except on her dash, which is a defensive skill.

    AD casters are either assasins that usually have high-intensity short cooldown nukes that can be spammed or bruisers that spend most of their time using their skills to deal damage in an area and keep targets pinned down and thus get things like Frozen Mallet to keep enemies on top of them. Riven falls into the second category but her AD scaling is something else and she's still autoattack reliant.

  • #28 Blacknsilver

    So who would Lord Van Damme's be good on then? I'm having trouble thinking of any champions that:
    1) deal the majority of their damage via abilities
    2) scale with arpen and AD

  • #29 FrozenF1r3

    Jarvan, Darius, Olaf, Wukong, Jax, Jayce, etc.

    It's a true bruiser item. Name an AD champion that goes top lane, and 95% of the time, they will love Pillager. 

  • #31 NicknameMy

    Mr. Garen, obviously. Double brutalizer OP.

  • #34 Gprinziv

    Everyone Frozen Mentioned, and the AD casters like Rengar, KhaZix, Pantheon, et al. love it too. It's worth noting that Olaf's kind of in a grey area between gaining more damage from BT or from LVD, though I'd imagine LVD offers more overall utility. E triggers spell vamp and that his ult's passive armor penetration actually makes the flat Arpen more valuable. And while it could be argued that his autoattack reliance makes BT a better item on him, Brutal strikes scales with max HP and he really benefits from CDR. It might be interesting to math him and Garen out to see what AD items are best for damage and for survivability.

  • #36 NicknameMy

    No math needed on Garen. Garen needs 40% CDR ASAP. This item and Youmuu's Ghostblade do the trick.

     Aswell, you can then also get Heart of Gold and Avarice Blade early,

    Last edited by NicknameMy: 11/6/2012 9:02:03 AM
  • #30 Waaargh

    Blacknsilver, you are saying you dislike van Damme's. But what you mean is with Riven you dislike van Damme's. That's talking a single champions cause. Further you want to compare van Damme's to Bloodthirster, which simply is irrelevant as they don't exists side by side. What you can do is compare it to Sanguine Blade. And then you have to ask yourself (when playing Riven) if you prefer to deal damage with abilities or auto attacks? Spell vamp or life steal?

  • #24 Faren22

    I enjoyed the information, but... I've said it before... you really, really need an editor. This feels like you rushed to get it in before a 5:00 deadline because of the spelling and grammatical errors and the general structure.

  • #17 Dredbr1nger

    Don't even know why you posted this article when the information is clearly outdated.  I feel like I just wasted my time.

  • #19 Forfeitish

    I don't even know why you posted this comment when it's already been made before. I feel like I just wasted my time.

  • #20 Hashinshin

    because one item MIGHT get nerfed, and two items MIGHT get changed... in the future? That makes it outdated? 

  • #14 D_Neon

    Grez's lantern is a must have because it's the only vision item for bruisers. That's why it's stats are sub par. Unless you want to waste all your abilities on bushes or you're playing with a teemo or shaco, you're going to die facechecking sometime. It also help immensely with capturing alters because you can see them coming from a mile away.

    So if this article leaves even less people buying it than currently, then I don't want to play TT anymore.

    TL;DR BUY LANTERN

  • #15 Hashinshin

    stealth isn't so powerful taht you must counter it. 

  • #22 D_Neon

    Quote from Hashinshin »

    stealth isn't so powerful taht you must counter it. 


    The point is to see into bushes, not counter stealth.

    I'm guessing I should have worded my comment differently since that's what everybody seems to have replied about, but I don't see where they get that opinion apart from the fact that I mentioned playing with 2 champions that have stealth, even if that implies that I'm playing draft, therefore ranked, therefore with a team of 2 other people that I'm communicating with.

    Last edited by D_Neon: 11/5/2012 1:18:13 AM
  • #37 Rispudding

    Quote from Hashinshin »

    stealth isn't so powerful taht you must counter it. 

    He is not talking about stealth. He is talking about the fog of war and brushes combined with the fact that you have no wards on this map. The 2 champions he mentioned give unparalleled map control and you have to counter the boxes on shrooms or you give up all your teams mobility in between lanes, give the enemy team vision and you make it much easier to set up ganks. 

  • #16 Mockstar

    I see it in a different niche. I've heard many people complaining about Teemo being God-Tier on the new TT, with Blackfire and Wooglets. This is the ultimate teemo counter. You can pop shrooms all day in his lane, and never hit one. As soon as he puts one down, pop this and kill it. I ran into a team with 2 of these, and I think there is an ap version as well, something similar, that literally shut me down completely.

  • #18 exacerberus

    Quote from D_Neon »

    Grez's lantern is a must have because it's the only vision item for bruisers. That's why it's stats are sub par. Unless you want to waste all your abilities on bushes or you're playing with a teemo or shaco, you're going to die facechecking sometime. It also help immensely with capturing alters because you can see them coming from a mile away.

    So if this article leaves even less people buying it than currently, then I don't want to play TT anymore.

    TL;DR BUY LANTERN

    OMG we're doomed: it's Teemo!!! Buy lantern or he's gonna get 3ple kills nonstop! So OP Teemo, always win never lose, buy lantern pls on D-Neon won't play TT anymore.

    Good news everyone: Oracle's Extract.

  • #21 D_Neon

    Quote from exacerberus »

    Quote from D_Neon »

    Grez's lantern is a must have because it's the only vision item for bruisers. That's why it's stats are sub par. Unless you want to waste all your abilities on bushes or you're playing with a teemo or shaco, you're going to die facechecking sometime. It also help immensely with capturing alters because you can see them coming from a mile away.

    So if this article leaves even less people buying it than currently, then I don't want to play TT anymore.

    TL;DR BUY LANTERN

    OMG we're doomed: it's Teemo!!! Buy lantern or he's gonna get 3ple kills nonstop! So OP Teemo, always win never lose, buy lantern pls on D-Neon won't play TT anymore.

    Good news everyone: Oracle's Extract.

    Oracle's Extract doesn't let you see into bushes you're not standing in. My point isn't that it counters Teemo, it's that it gives vision on a map where you can't buy wards, where ganking is common and where bushes make up a larger part of the most used playing areas (being close to alters and speed buff, also the center of each of the lanes). Sure, if you're in that position where you have never even had to bother defending an alter and you're straight up dominating then don't bother with it. It's like getting wards in SR, and that's the reason I'd rather not play if people straight up stop buying it.

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