Okay so I originally had this article geared towards the changes we've seen so far but it has become extremely obvious to me while writing it that the following is true: Riot is ridiculously biased towards AP champions. Not in giving them power, no, but in giving them a million options with diverse itemization builds and paths. AP champions are seeing more items just for AP dedicated roles (not items merely with AP on them) than other other two roles COMBINED. AP itemization is skyrocketing, again, while AD casters are getting a single revamped item. AP itemization is adding an entire new build option while bruisers are seeing nothing. Get my point? This is just silly, and it's getting annoying.
Simply put, Riot is so in love with giving AP champions everything amazing that anything interesting for other classes is being strangled by Riot's lack of time to do anything for them, what with all the time spent giving APs everything awesome.
AP players, you are spoiled and you should feel bad.
No seriously, was the playtest team 5 AP players, 1 AD player, and a guy who hates bruisers? AP players saw more buffed/revamped/new AP items than any 3 other classes combined. It's sort of absurdity. What's worse is all the new AP items are INCREDIBLY relevant and well stat. Not at all like Ohmwrecker's "for the tank who wants to be tanky but that that tanky but it's k cause you can stop turrets if you're diving I guess" tagline. Or Frozen fist's "for the tank that wants a massive amount of mana, some armor, some AP, and slow, but doesn't just want to buy frozen mallet instead."
I don't hate that AP champions saw so many new and diverse items. I don't hate that AP champions can go 3 completely different build paths (glass cannon, tanky-AP/flatpen, mana.) I don't hate that even within those three builds they have multiple build options. I do hate that AP champions got ALL THIS WORK done while other classes got 1-2 token items tossed at them. Ranged ADs got Phantom Dancer replacement items tossed at them. Bruisers got nothing (and Maw even got nerfed, jokes. Other than being BLINDINGLY obvious token items added to the classes (oh crap we forgot to add anything for tanks, add an aegis upgrade and erm... an item that stops turrets) it's just the amount of love and care given to AP items was so lopsided.
And I know I'm gonna keep mentioning it because: Seriously? Your answer to AD itemization being bland was to effectively just add replacement phantom dancer items? You still build the same everything except for phantom dancer which you sometimes build a different item. That's it? Wow. Even bruisers get it better than that. Hell, even tanks are getting an end game Aegis that will make their itemization significantly more diverse even on the same champion in different games. ADs? Every AD will still build the exact same way as they do in every match, they'll just build a single item different than other ADs. Ohwow the diversity is giving me cancer.
It's the design bias AP players have/are receiving that's frustrating me.
Compare Maw to Athene's. Maw gets released. Sucks. Never touched again. (Getting nerfed in S3 if you can believe it.) Athene's gets released, good but not OP. Gets buffed to OP WITHIN TWO WEEKS. Maw doesn't see any work in a MONTH, Athene's gets buffed the goddamn patch after release. It's that right there that should explain to you how much more attention APs get than anyone else. How about DFG versus Atma's? One of them enforces all champions who can use it to build it, and has seen two revamps within half a year. One of them got nerfed in to uselessness then never touched again. I'll take "riot why you so favor AP?" for $100 Alex. Both items are considered toxic by Riot. BOTH items are considered must-buys when good. One of them gets revamped twice and stays good even after nerfed, one of them is not for AP players.
Riot has so much observable bias they could just bottle the air in their offices and release it as a new fragrance called "bias." People would be able to SMELL it. How about this. AD champions all build the same way. AP champions all build differently. Who saw significantly more work on top of a (real) mana build path being added? The class that already had diverse item builds. That makes sense right? Spend more time on what is already working fantastically rather than whats busted. Hey guys, AP champions are only sometimes good in TT. Better release 3 new items there to help them! Better revamp both of them within a month! Oh AD, you're still useless on TT? Well you're not AP at all so we don't care.
Riot keeps saying AP itemization is so healthy, then keeps putting all their focus on them.
Compare end game AD casters to AP casters. AD casters do: More damage. AP casters: Have positive and negative auras, have unique defensive effects, have unique aggressive effects, have %scaling to kick it up for end game, have DFG. Why not work on AD casters? Riot keeps crying over how bad AD itemization is and if it was just better that they could make AD assassins good... SO DO IT. It's their goddamn game, you can't cry about something you own not doing what you want when YOU own it. Hey I can cry all I want over how bad AD caster itemization is and how Talon is terrible past 25 minutes. I can't change it. But when Riot does it, and 2 years later hasn't changed it? I lose all pity.
And then, and this is really what sets me off, to just keep doing more and more and more and more for AP champions THEN REMOVING PILLAGER because it might be unhealthy for the game. Well jesus fuck me christ, how unhealthy is the ability to go invulnerable for 2.5 seconds for the game? How about the ability to buy an item that ensures anyone without MR automatically dies in 1 combo and doubles as an anti-tank item? How unhealthy is it for a class to gain more and more options so that they can always counter build whatever they're up against? Talon on the opposing team? Get an early hourglass so you can invuln his combo in team fights and have enough armor to not die in the silence. Up against Leblanc? Well you got Abyssal, and Athene's, and Rylai's, and Rod of ages. Take your pick! Shit, combine two of them.
We've all played that game.
You know, that game where the designers clearly favored one aspect of it. An RPG where one class has all 3 of their talent trees viable while other classes might struggle to get 1 tree viable. An RTS where one faction is constantly receiving help on any unfavorable matchups while other factions are struggling all the time. That's AP right now. Their options, their ability to build against whatever they want and do it without sacrificing any power (take for example: How is a support player going to counter build a draven/blitzcrank lane? Build an armor item? You know, that armor item... the one... that supports) is getting simply crazy.
And the worst part is that the time put in to ensuring AP players are so babied is clearly and overtly taking time away from other classes. Where is the AD caster item? Where are all those bruiser items promised after Atma's got nerfed? Why did it take 2 years for supports players to finally see an overhaul? Why was the big push for AD players to be more diverse simply taking out phantom dancer and adding a replacement? You know why? We had to spend all our time coming up with new AP items.
And in the end, please consider this Riot.
You have so many neglected classes that build the same items game in game out. ADs basically just saw "phantom dancer removed, phantom dancer replacement items added." Bruisers saw... nothing. AD casters got to see "JACKBOT... no wait bust." Etc. Basically, you're hurting other classes because of your clear design bias towards AP. Maybe you're not making them OP (oh, no, wait you are) but you sure as hell are making them stand out wayyyy above what other classes can bring. Can you give me a single actual reason to bring Talon over Leblanc? Even NOW Leblanc is the better pick and what do you think will happen when she sees a significant increase in options?
Consider SF3. Chun Li wasn't particularly OP because her moves were OP, she was OP because she just had an option to deal with any feasible situation. That's AP champions right now. With AD carries going down in power we're going to see the #2 class shoot up into #1, and with all these new items and toys they're going to be far more up #1.
Please remember that not everyone loves AP as much as you do. Many of us enjoy playing Talon, Olaf, Zyra (who is apparently a support now) and Nautilus. We like seeing health itemization, damage itemization, burst itemization. And not just "this item has good stats!" but "this item has damage AND unique effects that play perfectly in to what AD assassins have needed!" We aren't looking for an item that has 1000 HP and 30 damage for Olaf, we're looking for items that give Olaf the ability to do things he doesn't do baseline. That's it, right there. Give OTHER classes than AP the ability to do things that they don't do baseline through items.
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Posted 11/19/2012 8:54:44 AMwell, i think its fair, look how many AP casters we have.
and then look at how many AD caster we have
Talon, Zed, Pantheon, Garen.. thats it.
I guess you couls say Lee Sin, Ezreal, Corki and Renekton is some how partially AD casters bt they rely on auto attacks mainly still.
I think Riot need an item for AP Physical DPS like Elise... jst kidding
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Posted 11/19/2012 9:05:19 AMYou forgot Kha'Zix, Riven, and Urgot (he used to be, anyway). They're AD casters as well. Renekton is a full on AD caster, if Garen is too.
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Posted 11/19/2012 9:24:39 AMren is full caster. build him 40% cdr(still pissed if hansin is right about removal of pillager) and you use his aa mabey once twice between his skills
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Posted 11/19/2012 11:12:13 AMRiven isnt really an ad caster, her spells is mobility based rather than damage, I mean u still mainly auto attacks as damage source as riven, bt because your AD ratio is so high, you focus AD items. I give u that on Urgot though
Renekton... sorta... bt still hes mostly right clicking
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Posted 11/19/2012 12:41:11 PMYou autoattack to trigger her passive. Which is pretty much an ability in and of itself with it's high AD ratio.
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Posted 11/19/2012 4:42:52 PMye bt its a passive, u wouldnt say Twitch is a caster cos his auto attacks adds passive
bt speak of auto attack passive, I would say Darius is also an AD caster.
and corki... no, hes wierd, hes a mage who turn into AD ranged carry, jst like any casters in DOTA lol
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Posted 11/19/2012 11:31:12 AMItem for AP melees?
Frozen Fist says high :p
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Posted 11/19/2012 8:53:01 AMAnd yet we are seeing the majority of the traditional "ap mages" that rely on range and burst rapidly disappear in favor of high mobility and/or tanky AP's such as Katarina, Diana, and Cho'Gath... or even completely forgoing the AP mid and throwing a bruiser mid to dominate the lane.
For all your complaining that Riot is completely biased about AP's and have been getting all the good items, the majority of them seem to be in a pretty poor spot. Having your favorite role keep being in the spotlight and keep getting ridiculous changes isn't always a good thing, my friend.
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Posted 11/19/2012 9:33:26 AM1 post. Did you really sign in just and this is your contribution? Sorry to ask, but... what was your point exactly? Because really dude, I didn't understand it.
Edited: made it sugary to comply with hypocritical, compulsory civil code (evidently, implying that someone is talking nonsense is unbearably offensive). Now explain me this (from the main article above):
Mongol General: Conan! What is best in life?
Conan: To crush your enemies, see them driven before you, and hear the lamentations of their women.
Mongol General: That is good! That is good.
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Posted 11/19/2012 9:50:41 AMkeep it civil please...
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Posted 11/20/2012 7:14:00 AMWhat was my point?
One of his big bolded subject titles is:
AP players, you are spoiled and you should feel bad.
So, I was merely pointing out that the majority of AP players feel far from spoiled, when the majority of these so called improvements were flat out nerfs, and the traditional AP mage has never been in a worse spot.
In case you still don't get it, let me create a little metaphor for you. Let's say Riot is an abusive father that has two children that we will call... "AP Mid" and "Bruiser". Riot (the abusive father) has directed all their rage on the world at AP Mid. Bruiser feels neglected... they don't necessarily want to be abused like AP Mid, but they crave attention so they become jealous of AP Mid anyways.
Essentially, the author of this thread comes across as the "Bruiser" kid from this scenario. I know you are jealous of the attention, but try to realize attention is not always a positive thing!
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Posted 11/20/2012 8:11:19 AMLook, believe or not, I mostly main AP mids and supports and solotop champions is what I play the less. Well, let me tell you a thing: AP champions have always had the best and more varied itemization choices in the game (Riot already agreed on this multiple times); now with the change with penetration mechanics and some cool new items (Frozen Fist, Liandry's Torment, even Spirit of the Spectral Wraith) and reworks (wb DFG, 700 range aura on Abyssal, magic damage on Lichbane proc, etc), AP mids and tanky AP bruiser/mages have never been in a better spot.
You may not agree with this, but it's hard to explain anything at such a basic level that even Philip J. Fry could get it...
Mongol General: Conan! What is best in life?
Conan: To crush your enemies, see them driven before you, and hear the lamentations of their women.
Mongol General: That is good! That is good.
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Posted 11/20/2012 8:55:48 AMI agree that AP bruisers/tanky are in an amazing spot right now.
I think pretty much everyone counters traditional bursty AP mages and they are in a terrible spot.
People are rapidly realizing that tanky AP bruisers like Cho'Gath can go mid and pretty much dominate the majority of other traditional mid-laners. The same holds true for AD bruisers as well (take a look at Froggen maining Lee Sin mid as of late).
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Posted 11/20/2012 9:29:23 AMTanky/"bruiserish" AP is a very slippery concept. You may say that those who can get tanky AP items but don't buy Rabadon are tanky AP. Unfortunately even tanky champions like Swain, Rumble, Vlad AP Cho'Gath, can effectively buy Raba as 4th, 5th or 6th item. The only champs that could go AP and still skip it are Ryze (scales better through mana and magic pen), Malph and Amumu (they could go stuff like Sorc/Mercs + Aegis + Shur + Frozen Heart + Abyssal + GA or whatever). Those and some other weird champion off-builds.
Now let's see the best AP mid and AP top champions in the last 1/2 year in competitive tournaments:
AP mid: Morgana, Karthus, TF, Orianna, Eve (DFG nerfed, now rebuffed), Diana, Gragas (nerfed a bit, still solid), Anivia, Ryze, Zilean, Zyra (better is support, still solid mid), Katarina (nerfed a bit, still solid), Lux, Ahri.
AP top: Vlad, Rumble, Kennen, Cho (usually mounted tanky with Wit's End, instead than AP), Elise.
So what are you talking about? The known fact that lately Froggen is toying a lot with AP Lee Sin mid, doesn't mean that the world as you know it's gonna be destroyed. Froggen also plays and excellent AP Kog mid (Boots of Speed, Tear, Chalice, Sorc Shoes, Rylai, Raba, Archangel, Void, Grail) and a lot of other weird stuff, but that doesn't mean that traditional AP champions are going to be kicked out of mid never to be seen any more in the Fields of Justice. What would AP Xin Zhao do?
Mongol General: Conan! What is best in life?
Conan: To crush your enemies, see them driven before you, and hear the lamentations of their women.
Mongol General: That is good! That is good.
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Posted 11/19/2012 8:50:32 AMI think that AP is what really differences LoL from other DotA games, and that's why the focus on giving them more items, because more than 1 AP doesnt fit very well in the meta. They may want to change that.