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This is a lot of anecdotal whining and I don't agree. Brusiers & ADs saw nothing? Are you high?

Blade of the Ruined King
Tiamat and Ravenous Hydra
Black Cleaver
Frozen Mallet becoming cheaper and more AD
General price reduction of AD attribute
Warmogs getting a nice new FoN passive
Guinsoos new passive for hybrids
Manamune and upgrade with sweet new active
Mercurial Scimitar, AD item with QSS active
Runic Bulwark
Sword of the Divine , by Riots own words will be nerfed because too strong
Spirit Visage way better
Sunfire price drop with the exact same stats

& contrary to what you say, Frozen Fist will be better for magic tanks/bruisers than APs

ADs and tanky bruisers have received a ton of good shit. And melee carries have received some pretty broken new items too. I don't get where you're coming from at all.

Blade of the Ruined King is for ADC mostly, nothing for most AD casters, assassins or bruiser (too low amount of AS on most of them).
Tiamat and Ravenous Hydra is a niche item. Mot bad, but often not what you want.
Black Cleaver is good for AD bruisers, but not for most assassins.
Frozen Mallet is no item for AD assassins. Also the slow duration got nerfed pretty hard.
Warmogs is not worse or better than before. Doesn't need stacks, but also has less stats in the end.
Guinsoos is still not too great and also hybrid only.
Manamune is for Urgot, Ez and GP mainly.
Mercurail (read my other comments; it is a pure late game item for slot 5 or 6 normally; we seek item for slot 1-3).
Runic Bulwark is great for tanks, bruisers and supports. But the nerfed Aegis makes it way less attractive on bruisers.
Sword of the Divine is pretty OP on some ADC (IE + SotD). Jax, Irelia, Singed, Darius, .... dont want to use it (Xin wants).
Spirit Visage is so expensive for the stats. The 20% HP reg boost is nearly wasted for most champs. But OP on Mundo and Voli.
Sunfire  is a good thing.

Frozen fist helps whom? Cause i can see it as a pretty OP item currently (people without mana and AP get a +500 mana, +40 AP item). The item itself is not so great if you bring it down to a normal lvl. Cho? ok. Diana? don't think so. Jax? Probably, but i think TriForce is still better.

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Blade of the Ruined King is for ADC mostly, nothing for most AD casters, assassins or bruiser (too low amount of AS on most of them).
Tiamat and Ravenous Hydra is a niche item. Mot bad, but often not what you want.
Black Cleaver is good for AD bruisers, but not for most assassins.
Frozen Mallet is no item for AD assassins. Also the slow duration got nerfed pretty hard.
Warmogs is not worse or better than before. Doesn't need stacks, but also has less stats in the end.
Guinsoos is still not too great and also hybrid only.
Manamune is for Urgot, Ez and GP mainly.
Mercurail (read my other comments; it is a pure late game item for slot 5 or 6 normally; we seek item for slot 1-3).
Runic Bulwark is great for tanks, bruisers and supports. But the nerfed Aegis makes it way less attractive on bruisers.
Sword of the Divine is pretty OP on some ADC (IE + SotD). Jax, Irelia, Singed, Darius, .... dont want to use it (Xin wants).
Spirit Visage is so expensive for the stats. The 20% HP reg boost is nearly wasted for most champs. But OP on Mundo and Voli.
Sunfire  is a good thing.

Frozen fist helps whom? Cause i can see it as a pretty OP item currently (people without mana and AP get a +500 mana, +40 AP item). The item itself is not so great if you bring it down to a normal lvl. Cho? ok. Diana? don't think so. Jax? Probably, but i think TriForce is still better.

U SIR, have no clue what ur talking about.

youre saying ruined king is for adcarrys only and not for ad casters, because it does not have attack speed.

AD casters DONT need atk speed, ad carrys do.

Blade of the Ruined King is for ADC mostly

You obviously don't play much TT or Dominion. The item is overpowered and turns every bruiser into magic damage carries. Bruisers get way more out of it because ADC out scale the DPS and lifesteal with their standard builds anyway. Still a good item for ADC, but better for bruisers.

Tiamat and Ravenous Hydra is a niche item.
Black Cleaver is good for AD bruisers, but not for most assassins.
Manamune is for Urgot, Ez and GP mainly.

You lose a great deal of credibility when you make statements like these.

the nerfed Aegis makes it way less attractive on bruisers.

It is still one of the most efficient items in the game and the upgrade even more so. Runic will have the most magic resist possible on a single item and half of that value is in the aura. Meaning if two Bruisers own Bulwark, they will each gain 50% more resist (for a total of 90) while in each others presence. Not only is that higher than what is currently possible with a single item, but this will be after magic resist values increase in price. Pretty big deal.

Jax, Irelia, Singed, Darius, .... dont want to use [Sword of the Divine]

I can't fathom why Jax and Irelia would not want attack speed and critical chance given most of their damage is dealt off auto attacks. Darius you have a point, but he'll be fine with the armor penetration changes and the fact he passively has his own. Singed however... Singed is going to have so many new toys in Season 3, and could very well be so OP for the first few weeks after it starts, that I'm genuinely amazed you'd even mention him as a champion whom isn't getting his fair share. It leads me to think you are talking out of your ass with little actual experience.

Spirit Visage is so expensive for the stats. The 20% HP reg boost is nearly wasted for most champs. But OP on Mundo and Voli.

Warwick, Swain, Fiddlesticks, Nunu, Trundle, Yorick, Vladimir, Singed, Udyr, Olaf, Nasus blah blah blah. You'll probably see some sustain supports occasionally grab it too, aka Soraka, Taric and Sona. The item is more slot efficient than before and a great combination of stats, especially if you are building a lot of lifesteal/spell vamp or have a warmogs.

Frozen fist helps whom?

See 80% of the previous list, plus Amumu, Maokai, Malphite, Nautilus, Skarner, Alistar, Rammus etc. Tanks/bruisers with some AP scaling.

sorry AP casters can't right click & win. We kinda need items to help us along.

QWER to win is much better, right? It's harder to teamfight with a bruiser than it is with an AP carry.

Did EVERYBODY forget about the fact that riot has added multiple items and changed masteries around to try and make melee carries viable? As far as your complaints for brusiers is concerened, if AP carries become to strong they can be nerfed like anyone else, Ad carries have been specficially nerfed, morello even agrees that they need to weaker, so how exactly do you think it would work if suddenly brusiers were made more powerful for more of the game, when they can already are the strongest early game by design? Do you not see the blatant issue with this?

We're not asking for bruisers to get stronger, we're asking for item diversity. AP champs have a wide range of items to choose from, AD carries don't have any item diversity since they all build the same items. Bruisers basically build Phage+Hexdrinker every game, with a few exceptions. Most AD casters at the moment don't have a single item where stats don't go to waste (except for Brutalizer). And supports pretty much just get double gp10, Aegis and Shurelya's.

Again, we're not asking for power, we're asking for diversity.

That's it (except that some bruisers build TriForce, too).
It is not about raw power, but about the item choice. It gives actually some power, but only in certain situations. But AD assassins are actually in a very small niche, cause of that lack of items. melee ADCs have that problem, too. They don't want to build more dmg, but some dmg + survivability to survive for more than 3 sec. They can lose dmg, but they need some survivability.
How does it currently look like? You can build a full dmg item first and then a defensive item, what makes you very squishy for some time. You build one survivability item first and then dmg, what means your dmg will be very weak (ADC without a dmg item? can't kill a support).
You pick a dmg item like zeal or B.F sword first and then swap over to defensive? means you will lose effectiveness, cause finishes recipes are way more effective in terms of gold and synergy.
The solution would be items that can give you both. Not as much from both, but both at the same time in one item.

Tiamat & upgrade, Manamune & upgrade, Blade of the King, Black Cleaver, Mercurial Scimitar & Frozen Mallet price drop with more AD all give bruisers and melee ADs more options. If you're a hybrid the new rageblade is pretty attractive too and Zephyr could prove worthwhile on melee carries.

Further I'd argue the issue with AD bruisers wasn't the lack of item options but the fact their damage didn't scale well into late game. That is being rectified with the penetration changes. Now you can buy a ghostblade and Last whisperer without wasting stats. And on that note critical chance is never a waste on an AD caster, if you aren't mixing in regular auto attacks with your spells you are not realizing your full damage potential -- auto attacks deal more DPS, especially with crit.

Play as Talon, get to mid-late game, use your combo and then try to auto attack more than once. You can't, he gets bursted to death as soon as his combo is over, unless he used his ult to run away, which in that case you won't get to auto attack either. Also, I'd like to see you play Renekton or Wukong or any other AD caster and then say that his auto attacks do more damage than his skills. I never said you shouldn't auto attack, but saying that the auto attacks from an AD caster do more damage than his skills is just stupid. If that's the case then all AD casters like Renekton or Talon would be melee carries. You obviously don't know what you're talking about.

I didn't say auto attacks deal more damage, I said auto attacks deal more DPS. DPS means 'damage per second' if you aren't aware of the acronym, in other words damage over time.

Auto attacks have 1.0 AD scaling which can be doubled or more via criticals, and most AD casters have an attack speed around 1 per second. So unless their spells have 1.0 to 2.0 AD scaling per each second of cooldown (hint: they don't), then mathematically basic attacks will deal more damage over time (DPS) than spells. This is an indisputable fact.

Spells are burst. They deal more damage at a given moment than auto attacks.
Auto attacks are sustained damage. They deal more damage over time (DPS) than spells.

Do you understand?

As for Talon, if all you are doing as Talon is jumping in, tossing out a W and Q then using your ult to leave, you are the one who does not know what he is talking about. And for the record his Q is an auto attack modifier so it benefits from criticals.

lolhash sucks. nothing new here

Hashinshin is totally right.  Try playing an AD caster in platinum/diamond and then come back to this post.  We are going to see a huge influx of pure AP line-ups.  I really do not see a point in going AD anything now.  The Muramana, the Scimitar, the new cleaver, and etc are all great, but these are items that should have already existed. 

The new DFG, Frozen Fist, Landry's Torment, etc are all SOOOO STRONG.  Hell AD Casters like Garen lose out if they get a sheen or a glacial shroud, so thats a pretty huge fuck you.  The Sheen and the Glacial Shrouds basically make a character a tier high if they can use them.  Those 2 items are so huge.  They also nerfed the warden's mail, the mallet, and the MAW which a huge fuck you to Bruisers.

I feel like the game is going to feel even more DOTA centric.  Hell in the jungle you have to go machete now, which is less item choices for the jungle at the front.  Everyone has less itemization now, where before you'd have more.  Buying any mitigation is going to feel bad with the pen changes compared to buying HP, and with the new anti-hp items, HP will also feel bad.  Making melee DPS feel TERRIBLE.  Melting before you do damage feels bad, and when you have less tanky options, you will completely melt.  CC/Ranged options just gained a ton of stock.  Sure, they added masteries/tiems that will help with CC, but you are going to be better off just picking CC characters. 

The number of viable top laners/junglers are going to hugely suffer because of these changes.

The new item that creates a blizzard is bullshit, that and the frozen fist can go fuck themselves.