Something everyone should read before commenting and interpreting tournament stats.

So with IPL wrapping up soon I think we can start to address all the winners and bigger winners of IPL. Well actually we can't since it's not over. What we CAN do however is take a little time to make ourselves a bit smarter, and better at looking at the data and watching the games. A little bit of time to ensure our opinions sound smarter. So, I've decided to help us all out by putting together a light comprehensive post on what you can do to look at the tournament games and make better educated opinions on champion balance in League after big tournaments.

So it's time to read a little bit!

 

First, the stats of a single tournament are not big.

To start with, this is just one tournament, so keep some things in mind. Even though for example Diana has a win rate not high enough to match her acclaim it could just be bad luck causing it. Likewise Lee Sin with his ludicrous 75% win could just be amazingly good luck. You have to keep in mind that if we just look at this tournament's stats in isolation that Jarvan with his 75% win rate is on grounds for immediate nerf because that stat makes him look god tier OP.

What's more, a tournament doesn't give enough time to learn. Things change tournament to tournament. Last tournament Orianna was clearly in need of dire nerf with god tier OPness behind her. This tournament she has a sub 50% win rate. Bad luck? Maybe. Or maybe teams just learned to beat her. Or maybe the teams that played her aren't playing her anymore. It can be any one of these factors. Maybe she countered something that isn't being played anymore. Get the idea? A single tournament doesn't give us a good enough idea to see what is making a champion look so good, or doesn't give us enough stats to even out champions like Jarvan. Or god help you Renekton with his 100% win rate. (However Orianna has been a driving force in many many tournaments in a row now, so see right below for...)

On that thought though, champions that have had amazing performances at every tournament in the last half year (SHEN) tend to just be OP. 

Winners effect the stats.

What's more, bare in mind that winning teams will impact stats. Take for example M5 and TPA both picking Rengar every game. They got really far in the tournament and as such Rengar got an artificial boost because of them. Versus Mundo that some losing teams seemed to prefer that caused him to get a really low win rate. You could argue that clearly the winning teams knew who was good and the losing teams didn't, but you'd have to be insane to think that somehow every winning team knew exactly what to do, and every winning team had no clue. What's more, you'd have to be thinking that League's balance is just so bad that merely knowing what to pick caused immediate wins.

Take Master Yi, he has a 2/3 win rate. 66.7%! That's extremely high. A win rate that high clearly puts him on the chopping board for nerfs. His pick rate was incredibly low though which impacted how many stats we get but I talked about that earlier. More importantly however, M5 would've won using other champions, they merely made the choice to use Yi. Does that mean since teams chose to pick Yi that he is now a prime target for a nerf? A team if they really hated a champion could using that logic always pick Fiora when up against teams they knew they were going to beat, and just made Fiora's stats insane. No other team would pick Fiora, and they wouldn't pick Fiora against really good teams. As such her win rate would be over 70% likely. 

So don't always assume that because the winning team picked a champion that that champion is OP. You have to bare in mind the champion's team's skill.

And in a balanced game picks wouldn't matter anyway.

Remember that sometimes champions are just more popular. If every champion was balanced then say Ahri getting picked 5x as much as Brand would just be player preference. I'm trying to reiterate that many many many times because it's simply true. Sometimes champions are picked and banned more simply because A. They are more popular and picked more, and B. Because they are more popular and picked more people ban them to deny their opposing team a champion they want to play.

Niche picks made for countering or some other niche strategy.

Back to Yi  again who was used to beat teams that his specialty would work on. Teams that didn't pick enough champions to disrupt his meditate. Sometimes the things that champions excel at occur very often (Rengar) and sometimes very few times (Yi.) As such one of them will get picked far more often merely because of their gameplay implications. Imagine there was a champion who only ever beat Jax, but he beat Jax every game. His win rate would be obscenely high and he would be an OP champion, but his pick/ban rate would be extremely low.

Take Lux. She is a weak champion, but excels in a niche (long range team fight denying.) So she's weak, but she does one thing really good and that one thing sometimes happens. Her win rate is 50% but when she does good in games she looks ridiculously powerful. Her pick/ban rate is low, yet she does fine when used right. Teams just sometimes pick her at the wrong time. Even though the stats say "Lux is fine" she's still somewhat lackluster, but her niche-ness allows her to be used in tournament play. That's up to you whether or not that means she needs buffs or not, but as of now Lux can be used as a weapon in the ban/pick process to out pick your opponents when the time shows up to do so. 

Sometimes things change slightly that allow a champion to seem OP.

Lee Sin and TF (Twisted Fate) are being banned every game. What does this allow? All the champions with free stealth detection (that are picked) are being banned. All of the sudden Rengar can split push and his ultimate makes him crazy difficult to kill now. All that pressure that was making his ultimate pointless is released, and his ultimate can now function normally. Think of it like a fat man sitting on Rengar. The fat man is keeping him down, but once you remove the fat man Rengar can sit up and everyone is like "oooo he's kinda good." TF and Lee Sin were those fat men. They are still in the game, they just aren't getting to be picked.

Or lets look at it a different way. Every ranged AD got nerfed. Now Caitlyn looks amazing. Coincidence? No, not really a coincidence. Everything she directly fought got worse, and now she looks better in comparison. Does this make Caitlyn too good now? Well that's up for debate. My point is merely that things changed and suddenly a champion that seemed weak is now doing extremely good. This is obviously the most direct and overt example and not subtle like the Rengar one, but I hope it gets the idea across.

Or it could be as simple as overnight one of the teams was like "well damnit, I love playing Evelyn!" Now Evelyn has a 100% win rate. This ties in to "Winners effect the stats." All of the sudden a really good team just starts favoring a champion and boom, 100% win rate. (Note that I'm typing this as Fnatic versus TPA is played and her win rate might drop after this is done.) Either way, the champion themselves didn't change, the team just randomly said well hell I love Evelyn. Playing Evelyn makes me happy!  Is Evelyn now OP? No a player just really wanted to play Evelyn. That's not a crime. That shouldn't change your opinion on the champion.

Remember that teams sometimes just learn to beat things.

AND LASTLY, always bear in mind and I put emphasis on this again: Sometimes teams just learn to beat things. At LoL's release GP and Nasus were like THE things, and now look at them. After buffs and buffs and buffs GP and Nasus are still pick-less. Yorick for example did get nerfed, yes, but after it was shown Nidalee just trolls him M5 put a full-stop to ever picking Yorick. Yorick went from THE thing to get to somewhat of a joke and picked only once in an entire tournament. And that's a good example to keep in mind too: Sometimes people just don't bother to learn counters, and it's only after Riot finally nerfs them that teams figure out "wait a second Nidalee completely chumps him!" 

Look at Talon. Every team wants to pick Talon, then minor nerfs, and now Talon has yet to ever win a game since then. Did less HP10 and Mana10 suddenly take him from perma ban to no wins? No. Teams just overreacted extremely badly and instead of learning to counter it (which ended up merely being picked up flat armor runes) decided it had to be OP. The result? Talon is terrible.

So with everything in mind

Don't just go jump on the bandwagon of hate because something happened. Take the time needed to have an opinion if you want to have an opinion. I know it's really fun to jump to the forums and say RENGAR OP because somebody did good with Rengar, but that doesn't help the game at all. Maybe Rengar is OP, you still did what you did for the wrong reasons. Plus, it's more fun to have an actual analysis on the game rather than jumping to conclusions and yelling at people. 

So I hope that you're at least two seconds smarter, and better at forming an opinion, and you can thank me for it! 

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Comments

  • #69 St3ko

    I liked Hashinshin's articles before it was cool.

  • #70 MerryLane

    You are so mainstream.
    I liked Hashinshin's articles before he was hated.

  • #68 registermyaccount

    EXACTLY. This goes back to my monkey analogy lol

    http://www.reignofgaming.net/blogs/stonewall/22539-tears-shouldnt-dictate-balance#c108

    Scroll down, its in the comments.

    I'm getting really frustrated at people saying x or y is OP/UP because a pro did well with it, or a pro said something about it.

    Video games, where anybody worse than you is a noob, anybody better than you has no life.

  • #66 RulebladerAysawa
    Wait... I just read "buffs to GP and Nasus over and over"?
    Then you should check their background at the patch notes. I ABSOLUTELY disagree and u should research more after saying "x champion is buffed everytime and still dont fits the meta".

    The only buff GP had in a LONG time was the refund on Parrrrley. Aside from this refund, he got a little buff at the Yorick's patch then got nerfed 5 patchs in a row. Is that "buffs and buffs"? Absolutely no. Its more like "nerfed in a row so theres nothing to excel at while being safe as Irelia or Jax, for example".

    About Nasus, yes, he got a series of buffs, but no team likes to pick him. The best late game among the "tanks", but absolutely 0 mobility. Is not "they learned how to beat Nasus", is more like "this champion dont fit the competitive scene and is kited too easily". Kinda like Sion.
  • #67 GentlemanGustaf

    Teams don't just 'not like' to pick champs. They do it because they have weaknesses that are easily beat. You know, like being kited too easily and not having strong enough mid game presence.

  • #65 pnsteva

    HI everyone. U wrote big article on reasons how people should see op champions and that is maybe ok , but i have remarks. Like u said Rengar is maybe OP, so he is OP or not or u just don't know? Imo he is op. We can see he has no mana, he has infinite heal, strong dmg, dominates top lane vs many  champions, full stealth. For Shen i agree that he is OP, although u barely wrote it (tend to be :), after remake they buffed him too much, there were some small nerfs but still he is very strong overall.  

    GP had nerfed more then once so it is not true that he got only buffed like u said, that is why he is weak now. Also we have to keep in mind that game is constantly changing and some champions that were strong (on top lane for example) might get erased by new stroger champion.

    When Jayce came out he broke world championship tournament on the top lane by dominating every other champ. He has range-melee mode, great poke, free ms buff for whole team, 20% magic dmg which also scale from ad :). So what happen to him, he got nerfed ofc and now he is not dominating top like he used to to.On Jayce example we see that  relatively small changes can determine if a certain champ is op or not (players doesn't like non op champs so they don't use them so often).

    No players do not play Evelyn because they only like to play her and it is surely not all of the sudden, its because she get reworked and buffed too hard. Many players played her and dominated high elo solo q before she was played by M5 on tournament. Nerf was coming of course and is a clear prof that she was op, even after she is still very strong. We saw on IPL 5 that some teams try to counter her with tons of vision wards. They did knew where is she and that putt a lot of pressure on her but does it worth it? They spent so much money just to try to counter one champ and again oracle can clear vision wards so it is not ultimate counter.

    I  can talk a lot on this subject but will finish here. Have a nice day :)

    Last edited by pnsteva on 12/3/2012 3:23:09 PM
  • #61 enigma3d

    Wait, an article with hashinshin acting as the voice of reason? Did I wake up in Bizarro world today?

    (Just playing. Great article) :D

  • #63 clutz1

    Quote from enigma3d »

    Wait, an article with hashinshin acting as the voice of reason? Did I wake up in Bizarro world today?

    (Just playing. Great article) :D

    Nah, Renekton had 100% winrate, so he's trying to reverse Jynx.

    Also Rengar.

  • #71 enigma3d

    Just because he's biased and doesn't apply this kind of rigorous skepticism when he thinks something is OP, doesn't mean he isn't right. It just means he's gonna go back to being wrong at some point ;)

  • #57 acerunner

    Season 3 is just about to start. Great Article.

  • #56 CovertGhoul

    Yea, Tournament results can play a real bias in determining what is strong and what isn't.  However, it is still a strong indicator for what is can be strong.

  • #55 Nash19

    Gragas is sort of like Yorick. He was being picked for the first time in a year and destroyed everyone, then they decided to nerf his spells, which was OK.

    But after his nerfs, he wasn't really picked anymore and Evelynn proved problematic, just like Gragas she also had DFG as core item. Then they nerfed DFG (which was a good thing), but Gragas's nerfs stayed even though the only reason he got nerfed is because they refused to nerf DFG yet.

    Result ? Gragas is lackluster once again.

    About Lee Sin : I was really surprised of his winrate. Most Lee Sins we saw really didn't make that much of an impact (I.E. SV's Lee Sin, even though he played pretty well he still ended up getting carried). I think a nerf is coming his way because people will complain about him even though they don't understand he's banned mostly because of the new competitive meta which is much more aggressive as it can snowball small early leads into unwinnable games.

  • #54 scruftypufty

    not even gonna read this post or any of you're posts after you're raging performence last time

  • #58 FeedMyADCplz

    If you are gonna post just to troll, PLEASE check "you're" grammar. Thanks.

  • #53 Yaawei

    That's sad how much Hashinshin has no idea about how this game works and what is good.

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