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i really hope they're making this support scale in reverse ratio, the more ap then less times on CC's and Slows or else all the support will start taking ap mid place, as they do everynow and then.

I'm sorry, but this scaling utility with AP is the dumbest in a long line of Dumb Riot Support ideas. 

First they Crush Lulu and Soraka's ratios because of 1 team comp with them in Solo lanes.

Then they nerf Alistar's trample because he has a viable jungle.

Now Janna's getting a ratio nerf.

+ Riot wants support scaling, on utility, while forgetting that the only reason they are viable as supports is because they have utility without scaling.

If Riot wants to not see Janna/Soraka/Alistar (and now increasingly Leona) in 9/10 picks/bans, they should make more viable supports, not stop those toons from doing other roles for specific comps.

Agree with 100% of this.  The main problem the support role has is not enough viable champions to play.  Compared to all of the other lane/roles there are fewer viable supports by an enormous margin.  If they created like 8-10 new ones they would start to approach equity with the other roles.  It is really frustrating to see so many support nerfs recently which is not the right way to address the issues of the role.

Well, they have said they aren't going to be making a bunch of new supports because fewer players are interested (they sell less RP for them). But, there are plenty of supports that are nonviable or fringe viability, and this is primarily because of crappy scaling resulting from bad ratios and poor utility with 0 farm. 

Lets just start with the 4 Super viable supports: Ali, Soraka, Janna, & Nunu (IMO they are the best because they need the fewest items to be useful). Then there is a 2nd tier that is viable, but would do much better if they didn't have terrible scaling: I.E. Leona, Lulu, Blitz, Sona. Then there is a series of Fringe picks that are really not supports and really need item scaling: Zilean, Lux, Morgana, Gangplank, Orianna. Then there is Karma, who is so bad I'd rather put just about any other champ in that spot. 

But, why can't the First 8 I mentioned be VIABLE as mids/junglers/tops like the Orianna's/Gangplanks? I've never heard a satisfactory answer to that question.

You contradict yourself.  If supports are viable because they don't need to scale, what does it matter if their ratios get nerfed?  If anything, this change will increase the viability the viability of supports even moreso than restoring the old damage/heal ratios.  Now supports are less likely to get kill steals and their presence can be much more threatening (the only support I've ever been truly afraid of is Janna while this change will bring that same thing to Nunu, Leona, Lulu, and Blitz).

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You contradict yourself.  If supports are viable because they don't need to scale, what does it matter if their ratios get nerfed?  If anything, this change will increase the viability the viability of supports even moreso than restoring the old damage/heal ratios.  Now supports are less likely to get kill steals and their presence can be much more threatening (the only support I've ever been truly afraid of is Janna while this change will bring that same thing to Nunu, Leona, Lulu, and Blitz).

 

No they won't. Riot will make it so supports are worse without farm and equal to (or slightly better) with farm. However, the increase will still not be equal to the increase in you Ashe/Kog/etc's damage so you still won't get farm. On top of that, going mid/top will be even less viable because you won't have the scaling to efficiently clear waves like the Old Soraka/Lulu so the other AP mid will be able to roam much better than you.

Thanks for post, do you have any idea what part of Sivir they would buff?

They were talking about her range, in specific mentioning her AA range is shorter than Graves, while having no benefits or innate tankiness to make use of that range.