Recently I've been seeing a lot of conservation about the sexuality of female champs in their art and what not. Mostly been about how there has been more of a push to have less sexual and more "strong" characteristics in the female characters. While I think it's good to not have the female characters be scantily clad simply for the sake of being a sexual object, I think the notion that a female character can't be taken seriously unless they are covered from head to toe. Ironstylus, when explaining the design process behind Quinn, stated that Quinn's outfit is the way it is because she is a ranger and a solider of Demacia, and therefore would not put in any effort to look like a woman. While i agree with this I also think that a true solider would not also try their best to look like a man either. It kinda feels that way to me too mostly because she is supposed to be like this super agile ranger, yet at the same time she is literally covered from top to bottom in leather, it looks like it would be kinda stiff and cumbersome. The thought that she isn't a strong woman unless she covers herself completely is kind of sexist in and of itself don't you think? I mean why can't a woman be a strong female character while also wearing clothes that are feminine? Like Fiora for example. She is wearing armor on most of her body but at the same time she is supposed to be this proud strong noble. Do you guys not consider her a strong woman because she express her femininity? And also Miss Fortune. She is SUPER sexual, and at the same time she is this rugged pirate hunter who is supposed to be a rival of Gangplank. I just don't get why a woman can't express her femininity while also be considered strong
Oh god another one. What was the last guy's name again? The one who made the Vi thread that wouldn't go away? Cause 5 bucks he made another account to post this.
These threads are useless. They do nothing for the community. Riot is right and has been about generally every champion (although the Zyra teaser showing ass was a little over the top). Leave this topic to die so I don't need to stare at it for the next three weeks.
I think the main reason why women look sexy in videogames is that women try to look sexy in real life too. Being an ugly and unattractive woman is seriously the worst thing that can happen to a human being in real life (no one likes ugly women including themselves) so in videogames (which are idealized) women are obviously the exact opposite.
From a psychological point of view it makes sense as well because psychology tells us that men care only about looks of their partners while women care only about money and whoever doesn't is a deviant.
For some reason I just can't get my heart into this debate. I have really no opinion about the sexualism of any character. To me it is not a bad or good thing in nature however direction it has taken. I don't say it is unimportant just that I can only see it as a part of the global character.
On one hand I can understand the community expecting something different from Quinn on an artistical point of view because it is a very sober style and maybe we were not used to it so much, on the other hand I like how she looks now, I think it's original and consistent while being well made in his own style so it all boils down to personal preference. But I also dislike how Riot defend their artistical choices on one hand it is true that she is consistent with her lore and has functional gear etc, on the other hand this is art and you do not NEED to make sense when you are making art, you have total freedom. I do not mean it is a bad approach to creation to give it some sense, just that it is a bad way to justify the end result, I am not sure everyone will get that, it is a faint nuance but an important one.
If I had to sum it up I don't think talking about what Quinn should or shouldn't look like is important because it just all depends on personal tastes, but I believe the fact it created such a vivid reaction is the ultimate proof she is a success as an art concept. The goal of art is not to look beautiful or ugly, the real goal of art is to induce a reaction that will generate an argument and some thinking around it, she hit right the spot on that.
My only , let's say, concern with Quinn is that they even gave her a man's name to emphasize her "nonsexuality". I mean, i don't get what all the fuss is about.
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What you are saying is that basically you want the female champs to look "like a woman" without being covered fully, but simultaneously if the female champ is not fully covered, then is a sexual object. Why, may I ask rhetorically, are modern female soldiers - who see combat on a day-to-day basis - wearing tight fitting, flattering clothing? Practicality. In war, durable and flexible are the keys. A ranger would be covered from head to toe, stiff boots for miles of walking, loose trousers for comfort and protection from brush, sturdy blouse, armor for protection from blows, a helmet - not a full helm, but more of an armored hat. Even in very arid areas, modern soldiers are fully covered.
My beef is that you - not necessarily you, RedFisher, but someone is going to make a stink about this. If A, then why is it not B. If B, then why is it not A. I mean Gah, really? Previous female champions and take on clothing: Vi (form fitting corset, but tough), Nami (boobs and no clothing at all), Elise (boobs, chitinous clothing), Syndra (boobs, essentially, leather bikini), Diana (Armor, practical and dangerous)
You get the point, there has to be a dynamic nature of the appearance and style of each new champ. If there is a trend in one direction, there has to be a champ which moves in the opposite direction. The complaint about female champs being over-sexualized, followed immediately by the complaint about Riot trying to make female champs less sexual. I mean, really, we have Varus - who strides into battle wearing only a scarf -followed by Darius, kitted out fully in heavy plate with grey streaks in his hair. I suggest you take champs as they come and quit complaining about something which has to happen anyway
Well i'm not complaining that she should be different and not wear anything over her self. I'm just wondering what with Vi and Quinn both trying to be macho women is such a great thing. I mean with riot trying to push out femininity in a lot more of their female champs it's like they're are saying that woman aren't strong so she can't act like a woman if we want her to be a strong female character.
So your point basically is that you don't like how being female and being strong seem to be excluding each other, am I right?
Well, this is a nice trait of yours! But the problem here is that if you want to design a champion that's really strong as well as clearly feminine, you either get something like a female body builder (which doesn't look appealing to many people) or you end up with someone who looks like quinn - slim, covered up for increased utility, still not very muscular, and relatively small breasts to not look ridiculous. She clearly IS feminine, it's just that after years of Miss Fortune, Ahri and a Zyra-Elise-Nami-Syndra laden 2012 we are so used to seeing half-naked boob monsters that something like a normal woman suddenly looks androgynistic.
Take a look at Phoenix Quinn that went on PBE earlier. It's the same person, just from a different angle and you see more of her hair. You'll probably find that she's a very appealing woman and she still looks somewhat "strong", as in "focused on a real fight". (I would have given her more biceps though.)
Am I the only one who's really into badass girls like Vi rather than whores like Miss Fortune?? I love Suicide Girls (yeah, don't pretend you don't know this web), I'd marry a girl like them, and hey, most of em are pretty badass.
When did a woman with boobs become some mythical "boob monster?" I have been outside there are women with large boobs you can rest assured they actually exist. The average breast size for a woman is a 36 C. I realize feminists want to pretend that woman don't have breasts, but they lost touch with reality back in the 1970's.
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Oh god another one. What was the last guy's name again? The one who made the Vi thread that wouldn't go away? Cause 5 bucks he made another account to post this.
These threads are useless. They do nothing for the community. Riot is right and has been about generally every champion (although the Zyra teaser showing ass was a little over the top). Leave this topic to die so I don't need to stare at it for the next three weeks.
Preparing for the climb is scary.
I think the main reason why women look sexy in videogames is that women try to look sexy in real life too. Being an ugly and unattractive woman is seriously the worst thing that can happen to a human being in real life (no one likes ugly women including themselves) so in videogames (which are idealized) women are obviously the exact opposite.
From a psychological point of view it makes sense as well because psychology tells us that men care only about looks of their partners while women care only about money and whoever doesn't is a deviant.
For some reason I just can't get my heart into this debate. I have really no opinion about the sexualism of any character. To me it is not a bad or good thing in nature however direction it has taken.
I don't say it is unimportant just that I can only see it as a part of the global character.
On one hand I can understand the community expecting something different from Quinn on an artistical point of view because it is a very sober style and maybe we were not used to it so much, on the other hand I like how she looks now, I think it's original and consistent while being well made in his own style so it all boils down to personal preference.
But I also dislike how Riot defend their artistical choices on one hand it is true that she is consistent with her lore and has functional gear etc, on the other hand this is art and you do not NEED to make sense when you are making art, you have total freedom. I do not mean it is a bad approach to creation to give it some sense, just that it is a bad way to justify the end result, I am not sure everyone will get that, it is a faint nuance but an important one.
If I had to sum it up I don't think talking about what Quinn should or shouldn't look like is important because it just all depends on personal tastes, but I believe the fact it created such a vivid reaction is the ultimate proof she is a success as an art concept. The goal of art is not to look beautiful or ugly, the real goal of art is to induce a reaction that will generate an argument and some thinking around it, she hit right the spot on that.
Please, your are missing the biggest scandal here which is VALOR'S sexuality. We should waste time talking about that instead
I'm passing on this champion Ironstylus apparently made her in fear of feminist retribution.
My only , let's say, concern with Quinn is that they even gave her a man's name to emphasize her "nonsexuality". I mean, i don't get what all the fuss is about.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?hl=en-GB&v=2WNrx2jq184&gl=GB
I find her voice to be cute.
Well i'm not complaining that she should be different and not wear anything over her self. I'm just wondering what with Vi and Quinn both trying to be macho women is such a great thing. I mean with riot trying to push out femininity in a lot more of their female champs it's like they're are saying that woman aren't strong so she can't act like a woman if we want her to be a strong female character.
So your point basically is that you don't like how being female and being strong seem to be excluding each other, am I right?
Well, this is a nice trait of yours! But the problem here is that if you want to design a champion that's really strong as well as clearly feminine, you either get something like a female body builder (which doesn't look appealing to many people) or you end up with someone who looks like quinn - slim, covered up for increased utility, still not very muscular, and relatively small breasts to not look ridiculous. She clearly IS feminine, it's just that after years of Miss Fortune, Ahri and a Zyra-Elise-Nami-Syndra laden 2012 we are so used to seeing half-naked boob monsters that something like a normal woman suddenly looks androgynistic.
Take a look at Phoenix Quinn that went on PBE earlier. It's the same person, just from a different angle and you see more of her hair. You'll probably find that she's a very appealing woman and she still looks somewhat "strong", as in "focused on a real fight". (I would have given her more biceps though.)
Yours sincerely, the next Einstein.
is this conversation seriously starting again? I thought we had enough of it on the month long post on vi
Requesting Rule 34 on oiled Yorick jacking off.
That is wrong in so many ways.
Am I the only one who's really into badass girls like Vi rather than whores like Miss Fortune?? I love Suicide Girls (yeah, don't pretend you don't know this web), I'd marry a girl like them, and hey, most of em are pretty badass.
When did a woman with boobs become some mythical "boob monster?" I have been outside there are women with large boobs you can rest assured they actually exist. The average breast size for a woman is a 36 C. I realize feminists want to pretend that woman don't have breasts, but they lost touch with reality back in the 1970's.