Poll: Are we trolls?
Are we trolls? - Single Choice
- Yeah reported surr at 20 0%
- Nah you are fine keep the gj 0%
- You are a lier you instalock fu! 0%
- Uninstall LoL 0%
- Heimer OP 0%
This poll has ended as of 3/1/2013 11:30:00 PM.
Are we trolls? - Single Choice
This poll has ended as of 3/1/2013 11:30:00 PM.
So what I am gathering from a lot of posts here...
"If you do something that I don't like, you're "trolling".'
That is a very horrible outlook, and I would contend to say that you yourself are a troll for that attitude because, in my experience, the people who feel that way generally will actively do things to throw the game or bring the attitude of the team down because of the perceived troll in their mind. In a recent game, I had a played announce "AD Jungle Eve" followed by a link to LoLKing with their match history. Every game they went gold boots, Spirit of the Elder Lizard, and Randuin's Omen. And they were winning with it. One person on the team expressed minor disinterest in this, I simply said 'If it works, and you're good with it, then by all means keep doing it.' A friend of mine used to run Heimer with Promote. We would see endless dodges on the grounds that 'Heimer troll, gg, fu noob' and many other games where instead of dodging, people would intentionally play poorly because 'We have Heimer mid with promote, we lose anyway so why play seriously?' despite the face he would consistently win lane, leave his turrets/promoted minion in lane to push hard, and roaming gank with grenades and missiles to amazing results.
Those who do things like THAT are the TRUE trolls of the game. The people who rage in chat, feed intentionally, knowingly throw games, and otherwise ruin everyones experience are the trolls, NOT the person who you feel justified in punishing because they did something you don't like. Olaf, pre-nerf, had around 40% on his win rate yet nobody would deny he was likely the strongest champion in the game. Rumble is someone that nearly nobody plays but has a very high win rate, yet because nobody ever sees him played I have run into many people who say 'No no no don't play Rumble I only ever see Rumbles feed pick someone I trust you to win with.' I have seen MANY people pick that random unbanned Shen or Amumu when my banner was trying to set up specific first picks for us and people take these "amazing OP champs" and proceed to play HORRIBLE with them despite people on my team crying 'they got Amumu, GG nice ban idiot' because we relied on the 'OP champ = OP player' mentality so many people have.
TL;DR -Trolls are the people who bring down the team, intentionally make bad plays, and generally are there simply to PURPOSELY ruin your experience, not the people who don't play who and what you want how you want them to play it. Champ/strategy choice =/= troll, but people who dodge/rage/feed in response to something they don't like on their team are the true trolls in this game.
A troll is somebody intentionally doing something with the intent of making his own team suffer. If somebody's intent is to win, no matter what strategy they're employing, they're not a troll. They may be bad, and they may have bad strategy, but calling them a troll is just as dumb as reporting somebody for intentional feeding when they probably just had a bad game...
Actual trolling is relatively rare in LoL, and in my opinion, the true negativity of the LoL community doesn't come from trolls, or Elo Hell, but the people who think they're constantly surrounded by both, and as such, rage at or say "this Elo" or "fucking trolls" anytime anybody doesn't play perfectly in a game.
i ahve a question say your first pick and you call mid first but the third pick, picks mid anyway? woudl you consider the third pick a troll? and if so, how would you go about reporting that person? r
What makes a pick,mid pick?
You talked about it and He/She told you "going mid" after you chose?
If that was the case then you were obviously getting trolled to bait you into ragequitting.(Yesterday someone tried to do the same to me thinking i`ll bite the bullet and dodge and ended up playing with a Wu with supp runes and masteries jungler :/ ofc we lost)
But there is another view of things
I mean take Lux,for example she is a decent mid and a decent support that makes her mid or sup?
And people watch what you are saying about dodging when a certain champ is picked.
At the next championship someone will pick a poppy destroy everything in his path and you the metafanbois will be over that little yordle calling noobs and trolls everyone that isnt following the 4125th meta featuring poppy top or AS spaz Nautilus.
Its a legit strategy to pick double/triple/quadruple or pentuple mid as long as youre trying to win and it is not a bannable offense. Gentleman Gustav said it himself, check it out.
GUYS ITS NOT A TROLLING TO NOT HAVE A JUNGLER AND HAVE DOUBLE MID, WE ARE TRYING TO WIN LOLOL.
Nice hyperbole.
Pentuple mid is clearly suboptimal (you miss out on 3 streams of gold). Same goes for not running a jungle (unless you have a plan for efficiently clearing the jungle from lanes without missing farm).
There was a time when running a 1v2 bot lane and a 2v1 top lane would have been considered trolling; now it's almost standard in tournaments.
If you are going mid, and somebody else says 'fuck you, I'm going mid', they're not trying to win, they're trying to get their way, and spiting you.
Trying to win doesn't just mean 'you want to win', it means 'you're doing what it takes to win'. www.reignofgaming.net/blogs/hashinshin/21508-hashinshin-on-tryharding-or-trying-at-all-isnt
So picking is part of trying to win. Trying to win doesn't start when the game starts; if you don't take picks seriously, that's the same as not taking gameplay seriously. If your picks are oriented at something other than winning the game (spite, selfishness, you thought X strategy looked fun), you are trolling your team.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Troll_(Internet) - it's very clearly about intent
In League of Legends, much as in the Supreme Court, actions have been ruled metaphorical speech. As such, trolling is playing in such a way as to (intend to) provoke a negative emotional response from your team.
To give 2 quick examples. Somebody who plays double-mid with a friend, wins 10 times in a row, and thinks 'shit, this is good!' and then tries it in a game with you? Not trolling. Somebody who says 'fuck you I wanted mid, double mid!'? Trolling.
Trundle
Troll was a LB on my last game,even though we picked the right way(and she has a high win/lose ratio) Caitlyn took her blue and she started going in Trundle mode.feeding warding mid you know screwing the whole game.
Good intentions and proper picking isnt always the golden rule.
The worst part is that we were winning all lanes and that LB had a nice 3/0/0 streak....
Intent doesn't stop mattering once the game starts. She may have started with good intentions, but once she didn't get blue, those intentions changed. It's still the intent that makes her a troll. Had she just started doing poorly (maybe blue would have mattered, so she lost then), that wouldn't be trolling.
Big fan of Intent arguments, it's all about the intent of the player. Be if trolling, having fun, winning the game, or communication. Intent is important.
The funny part is that at the 2 last games i was alone giving SR on EUNE a second chance.
2 Troll games(LB at the 1st and a premade of 3 Amumu/Jayce/Cait on the second one) in a row and with my buddy even with the crazy tactics we had 1 or 2 trolls in 10+ games.
Before starting to point fingers i told you EUNE has the most toxic players ever and i had it coming.
My conclusion is if people take the game lightly with a twist of "lets watch them fail with their duo top combo and laugh" the game goes smoothly most of the times,if people dont see it as a game they are playing to have fun and enjoy their free time minor things (you took my blue) will make you butthurt and activate your troll mode.
wait, wait, wait, i'm confused. doesnt this mean taht this caitlin is a troll because her taking blue is sub optimal and therefore she doest intend to win? would that mean this caitlin is trolling?
Caitlyn could think that her taking blue was optimal for any number of reasons. She would probably be wrong, but she could think it. It's pretty inconceivable that somebody could think that intentional feeding was optimal.
Caitlyn: rude and inconsiderate
LeBlanc: trolling
too true. you have proven yourself once again proven yourself the ultimate gentleman by taking the time to clear up and confusion rather than sweeping it under the rag. i salute to you sir
I disagree with these.
Solo Top Karma works.
Solo Top Ezreal, Vayne and Twitch work.
ADC Mid works with Ezreal, MF, Caitlyn and Corki(though Corki is crazy mana hungry)
Twitch is an ADC and can jungle.. not saying he's good but he IS a jungler.
Many Melee can effectively go bot from 0 - 1400 elo(stupid league makes this harder to explain >_>)
Teemo can work bot lane if you dont build him AD.
Poppy has a crap lane but if you're good with her and just farm then you can destroy late game, there is no champion im more terrified of than a good Poppy.