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omg i dunno why this forum is FULL of people who speaks WITHOUT ANY KNOWLEDGE about the things they speak about. BotRK is ALL physical dmg. So what 's the clue of your post? why don't you get informed BEFORE writing anything to other people? BTW BotRK is ATM one of the best items to rush on an ADC and probably the best one vs an heavy bruisers team and following with LW is a very good idiea. What you said is COMPLETELY WRONG.

Wow, way to not read what I wrote.  Yes, I was wrong on the part about it being physical.  I confused it with other items that do % hp in magic. 

Is it a good item to rush? Not really.  The enemy team has to be at a certain HP threshold for it to be really powerful and the enemy team might be building damage instead of raw health.  If the enemy team is Fiddle/Riven/Xerath/ad/support, why would I need Botrk?  

Second, it does not add to ability damage.  While it is nice to be able to think in "sit and dps tanks" terms, most fights do not allow you to just sit and auto attack people.  Abilities account for a lot of the damage output and Botrk does nothing for abilities.  Only auto attacks.  So if your playing Graves, Miss Fortune, Varus or other highly ability centric champions, botrk does very little.  Tristana & Vayne are interesting notes as they are highly auto attack dependent.  But as I said, I would not rush the item until the enemy team was at a point where the %health was really worth it.  A cutlass is useful by itself and does not need to be Botrk until after your aspd item.

Bloodthirster is just generally more stable for a lot of AD carries.  Botrk is getting a nice change with some aspd but I am not sure I would rush it on AD carries.     

1- is a good item to rush as the topic on BotRK on RoG shows. Read it.

2- It adds to ability dmg since it has AD and it has an active which is in fact an AD scaling ability.

3- I said is an optimal item vs heavy Bruiser teams and a good item to rush anyway. And that s the truth.

4- If u know HOW to move u can dps while positioning losing little or no dps. Simply a bit of skill is required. 

5- Obviously what u said about graves and other pricipally ABILITY carries is true even if you wrote Vayne and Tristana there and they are not at all Ability carries. Also mf is an ability carry but with a Q spell that applies on hit effects so she will apply both the extra dmg and the ls of BotRK so again u said a wrong thing. The only carry who should not buy that item is graves and also he will surely benefit from it vs an heavy bruiser team.

6- Saying an item is moe STABLe means nothing isnce there are no item which is UNstable. BT is better only if u need a lot of sustain or if are sure u can stack it all and keep it stacked. And also there is similiar in performance. In the end BotRK is a GOOD item to rush. Read the article here on RoG then speak plz. And also get yourself informed before saying wrong things to people who ask you questions. I generally only answer if i KNOW the answer or i get myself informed then answer. Answering saying random thing is a stupid way to go and can be misleading and can make people think WRONG things. Like when u said Botrk did magic dmg. Why didn't u READ what the item does BEFORE writing the post on the forum? tell me plz.

omg i dunno why this forum is FULL of people who speaks WITHOUT ANY KNOWLEDGE about the things they speak about. BotRK is ALL physical dmg. So what 's the clue of your post? why don't you get informed BEFORE writing anything to other people? BTW BotRK is ATM one of the best items to rush on an ADC and probably the best one vs an heavy bruisers team and following with LW is a very good idiea. What you said is COMPLETELY WRONG.

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MF's Q is an autoattack reset dude =/

No. Stop saying false things guys. Get yourself informed before writing.

How is it not? O.o

Its a skill that resets her autoattack timer.... hence its its an autoattack reset

Its not a skill that activates on next attack, like say draven's Q

It has an additional benefit but that doesnt change the fact that it is an autoattack reset 

If you think otherwise then explain dont just say "False" =___=

Simply it is not. Double Up does not reset the attack timer. Simply you can time it well between an attack and another but it does NOT reset the swing timer. It's simple what more i have to explain? If you make 1.5 attacks/second you can attack then make a Double Up then attack again but the 2 AA are always at 1.5 seconds between them. A reset is a skill that CHANGE the time between your AAs. Mf Q is NOT such a skill. SIMPLE . I dunno how to explain this in a more accurate way.

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MF's Q is an autoattack reset dude =/

No. Stop saying false things guys. Get yourself informed before writing.

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isnt mf Q use on hits and reset aa timer? also ez reset his timer with Q, quinn will use E as aa and passive reset and isnt draven Q reset aa timer too? 

No, no, i don't know about quinn yet and No. Inform yourself before writing plz.

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isnt mf Q use on hits and reset aa timer? also ez reset his timer with Q, quinn will use E as aa and passive reset and isnt draven Q reset aa timer too? 

NO, NO,i don't know about quinn since im not in the pbe and i can't try.. and NO. Why writing an answer without having the DECENCY of taking info before doing it?

1- Only Sivir has a skill that reset the attack-timer. Not "most popular adc"

2- MF for SURE does not have such a skill.

3- Vayne has Tumble. Tumble reset the attack-timer but has a long animation and during the animation u can't attack so that reset is pretty useless. 

Also you didn't consider dps from champion's physical skills so you mark brutalizer under BF but you miss the cdr stats on it and the arp on it which influences the dps both of aas and of skills (influencing also skills BASE dmg obviously). I know you can't calculate that for any champ since any champ has different skills but those numbers are misleading since they do not take into account this things i said.

I like your work but you're sometimes kinda inaccurate xD

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Simply because Zed is harder, and more niche. That can easily reduce winrates 5% or more

And so? This is an obvious thing. It isn't in ANY way connected with what i said.

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You misunderstood me on one point. I am saying Singed and Garen have HIGH winrates because they are relatively EASY. They may be slightly strong aswell, but so is Orianna who is at a 47% winrate and played at least as often as any of those in tournaments.

You're saying that a high winrate means a champion is strong. Thus, conversely, a low winrate must mean a champion is weak, and we both agree Orianna is NOT weak, thus winrates are not a good measure of a champions strengh.

As for the zero fact basis, pros are pros for a reason. Do you think they pick based on some winrates, or based on what they think their team needs (a champion fitting a matchup does not only mean in lane, but in teamfights aswell)?

for this "You're saying that a high winrate means a champion is strong. Thus, conversely, a low winrate must mean a champion is weak, and we both agree Orianna is NOT weak, thus winrates are not a good measure of a champions strengh." No that is not what i said. I obviously know that a champ like orianna is "strong" (i don't think she is strong but i think she can be used in a nice way in a combo team like some team did in tournaments) but she is balanced by his "trickness" so she has no high winrate. So sha needs nerfs? NO, simple. if lot of player lears how to use her and her win rate GROWS UP like hell then you need to nerf her. That 's what i said. 

Also for this "As for the zero fact basis, pros are pros for a reason. Do you think they pick based on some winrates, or based on what they think their team needs (a champion fitting a matchup does not only mean in lane, but in teamfights aswell)?"

You answer make little sense since i NEVER said u must nerf or not nerf something based on what PROS pick.. NEVER said that. I said that HE told us that lolking is inaccurate WITHOUT telling us WHY he thinks so. So maybe we will be glad if he says us WHY lolking is inaccurate since he says that it is. Also telling us some of the "magic numbers" Rios has that are so different from the ones quoted from lolking would be nice. This is what i said.. Not what you said i said.

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I think you're misinterpreting what he means. When he says inaccurate, they are not saying the numbers are necessarily wrong. He's saying that you can't rely so much on ONLY the win rate. Having a high win rate doesn't necessarily portray the overall power of the champion.

I agree with you but that is not what he said. He said:

"LoLKing data is highly inaccurate -- it's a fun site, but please do not quote it as evidence for Zed's power level (in either direction, it's entirely possible for a champion to show at 53% on LoLKing and be fine or weak)"

and i ASK on which BASIS? on wich DATAs he says that a champ can be WEAK with a 50++% win rate? how can he judge that? Come on it s a game .. if 52% of 830.000 game is won having Jarvan IV in the team u can't say jarvan is WEAK. Or better you can say what you want but if you do people should not care about what you say cause you re saying stupid things. 

But here i want to POINT OUT the most important thing. It's not important WHAT you say but on which BASIS are you saying that. If u don't say what your data is a why the data you re contesting are wrong you re only saying bullshit. And this is a fact guys. Statements like the ones spammed by Rioter will nEVER be accepted in a University/College Thesis. Why? Cause they don't put ARGUMENTs in their statements. NEVER. They only say "your numbers are wrong. Our are right." without saying WHY. And that is (with all my grief since i REALLY LIKE this game) a sing of a BAD company behind a GREAT game.