Listing all the supports seems a little silly... as said by some above support usually only assist rarely take cs or kills so they are the obvious low money winners.
Other roles though Malphite & Shen are a cheap Sunfire cape away from being strong. They are both tanky yet both have game changing ults.
I think she is fine, she is strong early and fairly weak late. Shes just the opposite of Khazix who is strong late. If you play Elise in late game you will rely more on your utility then her strength. Elise fits in with the players who like to be strong early and hope to snowball. ( Shaco / Elise / Garen etc )
SV does have a crappy attitude. Chaox was disrespectful to team by blowing off practices etc. WildTurtle's play style fits TSM much better then Chaox, not to mention Chaox himself has really struggled lately.. even against a lot of unknown diamond tier adc's.
Long story short.. SV not helping his team with attitude..but I think Cop and Voy's performance lately is why Curse has struggled. When they both play well Curse wins, and lately neither have played well.
I think Goonza29 said it best "Voyboy stopped carrying as hard as he did earlier in the season, Saints aggresion got denied, Cop having a very restricted champion pool, etc."
I think the bigger concern is if Voyboy can't carry as hard Cop needs to be able to play more aggressive and jump into fights lil more like Doublelift / Nientonsoh / WildTurtle. I feel sometimes Cop plays waaay too safe.. not sure he is just trying to keep a good KDA or what.
If you look at Marn and TSM both teams are playing alot better since getting more aggressive ADC's.
Elementz would be a better support for a aggressive ADC since he likes engaging with Thresh / Elise etc.
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I think the Jungler you are looking for does not exist. Every champion requires you to actually play the game to try to win. Your replies indicate you want to select this OP Jungler and then the other team will just afk in pool. Or dive into towers every two minutes, so that you can get free kills.
You're going to have to try to play the junglers listed, or find a new, broken, game.
I'm starting to agree with Frost seems you have something wrong with every jungler... you want Carry / Tanky / CC / Fast Clear / Highmobilty / & Highgank success pre 6.
It sounds like no offense you are losing games and blaming teammates for not carrying hard enough and figuring you need to from the jungle.
No jungler has everything.. but all can win games at high rates as long as you maintain buff control.. farm...counter jungle.. counter gank ...pressure or gank lanes effectively.. and in teamfights play what your role is. Since you play Hecarim alot I would keep playing him and work on the underlined above rather then trying to find a champion to make you win.
Not sure whats hard to see this is a a typical AOE comp nothing really special about it.
Shen taunt on team then drop Karthus defile / Kat and Nunu ult AOE, very common strat.
Why they chose a AOE comp would depend on what the enemy comp looked like. I assume the other team didn't have many ways to stop Kats ult. Karthus's ult doesn't matter since he will defile during fight and most like ult after dead.
Shaco still the best low elo carry jungler, Bronze / Silver players just have no clue how to deal with him. You steal enemy junglers buffs kill them in their jungle putting enemy jungler behind and helping your lanes by their jungler not being able to gank, This also usually puts the enemy jungler behind in levels which makes his/her ganks significantly weaker. Ganking is still easy as Bronze and Silver players ward the exact same places every game and Shaco is one of the easiest champions at avoiding wards.
I usually snowball so hard in the first 15min that Shaco can 1 v 1 anyone in the game with my ult, after that just push turrets and take dragon win game.
Shaco is not for everyone though.. if you don't know how to time buffs and make good decisions on dragon you can fall behind and not carry like you are wanting.
I personally don't care is the support gets kills as long as a kill is secured. I would only be bothered by a kill the is obvious and easily secured by a carry and the support snipes it intentionally. This is mostly a laning phase thing.. in team fights I can care who gets the kills.
Kayle / Nid / Jayce / Zed all can manage 2 v 1 , although no champion can hold out too long. Kayle & Nid can sustain with their heals, Jayce with shockblasts, and Zed being manaless & can wave clear quickly.
All will be chugging health pots though.. nature of the 2 v 1 gonna get poked to hell.
It almost sounds like the jungler you want is the junglers your already playing Hecarim / Vi / Xin all good pre 6 ganks all are good in late game and all have potential to carry with successful ganks.
You mention you want more cc with everything else might be difficult to find good jungler. With that said I would say try Elise, good clear, spider form manaless, cocoon is a hard cc.
