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And winning isn't about picking the most FotM champion or what the community deems as OP, but your best picks combining overall utility to add to your team.

Ziggs isn't sub-optimal at all. He has a few things in his kit that some other AP poke champions lack - an escape tool that can also be used as a mild CC.

I think that opportunity costs are interesting concepts when we talk about item builds, but no so much when comparing champions. Saying that Sejuani is "a worse Nautilus" is wrong. It's a biased comparison. They both suck in this meta, and tbh, Sejuani scales way better though and I'd dare to say that she's a safer pick than Nautilus. Also, she is the only tank besides Shen who has a dash that can go through walls, making it easier to escape a tricky situation when counterjungled. Where is the "Naut is just a better Sejuani" point then?

Naut can't counterjungle due to his insane slowness and lack of any kind of mobility besides hooking himself near walls from time to time. And that's hella situational. I've counterjungled a lot with Sejuani (taking some precautions ofc) and overall I felt that I'm a lot safer than when I picked him.

Also you should ask some pro players what do they think about "viable" champs. Phantomlord's main champs are Ziggs, Syndra and Karthus. I bet no one would say they're viable right now. Guess how often he plays them.

Theory-crafting is good unless you make poor assumptions - like confusing opportunity costs with absolute advantage. There is always a COMPARATIVE advantage: even though Sejuani may not be the best jungler compared to Nautilus, she offers things that he doesn't have, and summing up those variables isn't as easy as saying "rocks beats scissors", specially when talking about junglers.

Will try Jungle Taric soon, seems interesting.

That's why I hate the Nidalee nerfs. She doesn't deserve the catform nerfs since they destroy her already cheesy midgame since she has no scaling. You need a pair of balls now if you wanna build AD. I'll keep playing her though, since Riot can't spoil my fun and just because a couple of toddlers whine about being unable to counter splitpush.

Your list is a bit confusing and hard to read. You should try to do a more clear format cuz you make too many categories.

Also, I fail to understand the reasoning for many of your placements, like saying that Janna "carries harder" than Lulu: something that's simply not true, at Silver Janna is a rare sight atm and she's not that easy to play.

And don't misplace champions just because you don't really know how recent changes affected them. Nidalee's only nerf was the removal of scaling MR - she lost 0,75 MR per level which is like 12 more MR at 18, a change that hardly affects her earlygame (and she's an earlygame champ anyways).

The Volibear reference... simply no, he's super weak compared to many other bruisers, people just pick him because he's bulky and a meatbag so he forgives mistakes easily. He's like a weaker Garen.

You should try to make an in-depth study before making a Tier-List and some of your picks aren't well-thought in my opinion. The Sejuani reference is just... meh, probably you had a game with a good Sejuani but that doesn't make her instantly good compared with the good games I had with Xin Zhaos, Amumus, Maokais and other stronger picks.

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Ok, so I wont be answering anyone specifically anymore, since the original meaining of the thread is completely lost.

To all the people here giving completely valid reasons about them jumping elo firstpicking mid, I'd say one thing: you are completely right. Your level is far ahead, and you can firstpick a mid and still do ok. This post is not about you, so stop stating that since you can firstpick mid, it is valid.

I am talking about the other great % of the people that reads that the best way of jumping elo (or leagues now) is to pick a mid champion and spam it no matter what, and they miss the part of (... spam a champion who you have mastered so hard that have at least 50-100 games under your belt, you can flexibilize your build path and you know all your match ups perfectly). This people, the great majority, are a pain in the ass and shouldn't be encouraged to just firstpick a role.

Well these people I'm sure that they won't even be able to play "the counters" so why force them to pick a champion they probably have used twice in their life without knowing how to use his kit in order to get advantage? Like, Singed can perfectly beat Garen, but why forcing someone to play Singed if he has never tried him? I've had games where I was flamed for not insta-picking Shen and even once I picked him just for the sake of appeasing my mates. I had to learn him but I still hate when people start talking crap and say "You must pick X or Y or I'll report you".

Yesterday I went to a couple of normals (yes, bloody normals) and I was flamed by my support due to insta-picking Singed. The opposing team picked Teemo. Guess what - after all the QQing, the Teemo lost and got outfarmed, cuz I've played Singed enough to know how to play against a casual Teemo player.

For me Quinn is awesome, as a D&D player I like how she feels like a Ranger, maybe too ornamented and "bird-themed".

It makes sense for me that she should be nimble and athletic, not a boob racket. We've already got Ashe for the "Sexy Archer" archetype.

Well, I wouldn't want to date someone that doesn't either study or work either. I don't know about your traumas but don't come and splat your experiences as pure fact. That you're a misogynist we already get - but don't be as hypocrite to use the "what I think should be the norm cause it makes sense for me" kind of argument.

Women are human beings and most are like you and me, people with goals and expectations. There are lots of men who're also social parasites that want to stick on someone and do nothing else than watch TV and drink booze.

What I can get from this post is that most people here are either teenagers or they think in likewise terms.

Actually even a good Teemo struggles against Darius, he's a soft counter at most cuz his range is barely enough against his Apprehend and it takes just one mistake from Teemo to get bursted from 100% to 0 and proceed to feed and lose lane hard. Darius is a snowball lane so you need to pick people that can actually out-trade him or really tough lane bullies. Elise is much safer than Teemo against Darius since she can counter Darius's ult with Rappel, she can poke him down easily even if he stacks HP (what usually counters poke) and her base damage is high enough to allow her to itemize in a flexible way. She can just rush a Warmogs to be beefy enough and she won't lose power from it.

I actually agree to what pros said and started to raise ELO after stopping to check counters or whatever people thinks that beats who.

You'll get better by mastering strong champs that are flexible and let you develop strategies for various matchups. COUNTERING is something very subjective: champion don't counter gameplay, mechanics do. So I firstpick Singed and the enemy picks a Teemo? I need to abuse the bush so he can't harass me without following, so it forces him to expose to an eventual counter-attack. Or I can just push the lane hard, base and try to stall until I get some levels and try to roam with Teleport. What pros mean with "there's no such thing as counters in low ELO" it's that people DON'T play with a strategy in mind in Bronze League, they just pick whatever they think it's broken and don't actually know what works and what doesn't.

If you just sit in lane and let a Darius smack you over and over, you're obviously failing your strategy and instead of whining about how you're being countered, you should try something else.