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Quote from SiameseCookie »

Cait or Irelia. The first, look at the tournaments. The latter, still a monster once she has some items.

Quote from Emeraldw»

Uh....That's nothing to go on.  These are 3 entirely separate champions for different roles.  Caitlyn is a long range, early game and lane dominating AD that can take care of herself.  Irelia is a tanky assassin champion that dives enemy teams with few weaknesses.  Volibear is an early game lane tank of sorts and can jungle.  I mean, your question doesn't really lend itself to anything.  Asking what champion to get without anything else is just asking for a popularity contest of the day really.  

Quote from KesslerCOIL »

in order of viability and power.
Caitlyn, Irelia, Volibear.

Caitlyn is one of the strongest ADC's currently.
Irelia is the strongest but still strong pick, dont first pick her though.
Volibear... he's just countered too easily

Quote from Yaamahri »

Imho, in order of most fun to play to least fun, Voli, Irelia, Cait.
In order of power, Irelia, Cait, Voli.
In order of Skill cap (Highest to lowest) Voli, Irelia, Cait. 
In order of pure awesomeness. Voli(armored bear, 'nuff said), Irelia(better nerf her) Cait(As Vi puts it awesomely, 'Oh...look at me...I'm on the case.')

What they said.

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Quote from Bystekhilcar »

There's only one Annie playstyle, and it's called 'if only you'd come a little bit closer I would murder you'.

Only because you can't use her imba gapclose ability... ehm nevermind. You can still hope a kind enemy Blitzcrank will pull you into the enemy team but forget to press R and E. I miss Annie. But this is League of Dash.

Quote from Yaamahri »

Funny thing. Ran a game with her in which we had no tank, so I decided to become Beefy Annie. Rylais, Liandry's, Abyssal, RoA, Zhonya's-Sorc Shoes. AoE slows are just too funny. (I am in NO way condoning building her like this, she is much better off building full burst.)

Funny thing is that Rylai's works with her Molten Shield: basically it's like half the Randuin's Omen passive. You can also get Mallet to abuse the 625 AA range to peel and permaslow, a Frozen Heart and a Spirit Visage to spam stuns, and a Warmog's because even your granny would get it in S3. And voilà: tank Annie. Tank Twitch is still funnier. And Tank Teemo more effective (GA, 4 Warmog's, stand still, bind and spam /l button: 10 seconds AoE taunt guaranteed). Yet not in ranked pls.

Quote from DukeofNormady»

Also my friend suggested making a buff list of comparative gold values and I agreed that that that would be a far better comparison than my buff chart and that would help to bring things closer to mathematics compared to opinion.

Yes, this is a quite brilliant idea, and definitely a big improvement towards objectivity, even though it won't make it perfect as well. Just to keep using BB as an example, you can give gold values to the amount of MS and AS it gives, but those amounts will scale multiplicativery with other factors like Crit chance, Crit damage, total flat MS (for instance Berserker's Greaves with Alacrity ench), so the amount of stats it gives is better than its raw value shows. Also mind that even when you could factor that in your buffs list, the sheer difference between 2 AD carries in a teamfight is simply that one has 45% free AS and 12% free MS, and the other doesn't. You're gonna face similar problems when comparing CCs: for instance Alistar Pulverize is awesome, but you can't compare it to Howling Gale, even if they're both AoE knockups... simply because one has imba range and (ab)using it doesn't put you into any risky situation.

Quote from DukeofNormady »

So starting off, The reason I asked for a list is so that I could try and better understand what he sees as valuable compared to how I had laid it out. You stating that I asked for opinions and that's what I got dismisses the ability to discuss between people. I would also like to see what potentially you value as far as a buff system would work because you say BB would probably be a 5 buy why would it be a 5, that is more what I am trying to get to in asking people to make a list.

No, you see, my point is that I arbitrary value Nunu's BB a 5 in a 1-5 scale because (here could try to be smart and say that ADCs are already beasts by themselves lategame and giving BB to them is basically giving methamphetamines to Rambo, but that's not my point)... because it's my sole opinion. You see, what I was trying to imply is that is impossible to face tier list from a completely objective, unbiased, mathematically exemplary point of view because... well... because we're humans.

 This is illogical, Exacerberus.

Oh no!, Spock has come to claim my demise.

/FF

Quote from Mojoss1 »

Hybrid pen: http://www.lolpro.com/guides/annie/329-annie-build-guide-mid-lane-by-damionwings

Hahaha ty for pointing that out, I didn't notice that Damionwings/ZeroGG had updated his (excellent guide) to S3.

That being said, both guides are very solid, they just display very different approachs to Annie: Damion's guide is more aggressive and suggests skipping the point in E at level 4 to achieve max damage on Q and W while also abusing Annie's long AA range (625 is 25 more than Ashe, 25 less than Caitlyn...): he goes for straightforward aggressive setup with hybrid pen runes and masteries (29/0/1 speaks for itself).

KriticalKill's one is "the standard" Annie guide (a very solid one).

All in all it's just a matter of playstyle, try both and see which one fits more yours.

Just a remark: Liandry's is a poor item on burst basters because the passive is based on current health and doesn't stack; Damionwings is just upgrading to it for gold efficiency since he runs a very aggressive build and rushes Sorc + Guise for max early game dominance (and because you can trigger Liandry's passive with Q on a stunned target, so 2ble effect (movement impaired) on single target spell (full duration on the passive); yet after the full combo with DFG... target's current HP should be already...0 or very low at this point). So, if you got very very fed, just sell Guise and get the following items: Sorc + DFG + Raba + Void + Zhonya's + (sell Haunting Guise) Abyssal (offensive) / GA (defensive).

Quote from ianzzz94 »

Ah Reinforced Armor as in 250% -> 240% damage or 250% - 225% or even 250% - 235% right?

Or 200% -> 180%, 200 ->190%
I will try to test those values as well.

Yes, exactly that's what puzzles me, thank you! ^_^

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Kha'Zix mid? Just run Veigar :3

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It's too dangerous for him to jump in on you anytime after lvl 4 because of the stun. After lvl 6 if he initiates you turn around and combo him. Now if he's top it's different because you don't expect him to come gank, but laning against Kha as Veig is pretty easy.

Two words: jungle ganks. And yes, Kha'Zix is pretty good at following up a diving jungler. If you survive it that means you used Even Horizon very well and/or you burned your Flash. If you did, your laning phase will become a nightmare for the next 5 minutes.

Also, if Veigar fails to land his E in time, he gets W+E+Q(+Ignite) in the face.

Plus Kha'Zix mid has way more problems against champions with silences or targeted stuns/disables, since he's very mobile (W), but all in all he's an AD caster: if he can't cast, he's nothing. LB shuts Kha'Zix down mid way easier than Veigar, and so many other champions.

Why is renekton so underplayed?

It's right the opposite: everyone in tournaments is abusing his devastating early game on solotop (210+ damage from Ruthless Predator at 50%+ Fury at lev 1? Yes please! It also stuns the target so you can pull off another free AA? Ok imba). Darien, Wickd, Voyboy, Dyrus, etc... they all pick Renekton pretty often, both in tournaments and when they stream.