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It might hurt, but if jayce can't get the kill he's going to have hard time committing given Aatrox's high sustain, on top of the AS steroid and damage from his ult. Food for thought.

Well, we all know how Jayce works. You can't stand near minions and last hit properly 'cause you'll get hit in the head with mercury cannon and/or powerslam; you can't go all-in or him 'cause you'll get a smack, you can't trade properly especially when you're focused on AA 'cause Jayce unloads his whole combo on ya in a second then nuke-smacks you away before you can do 3 autos. Also, the pretty high sustain of Aatrox comes from autoing stuff, and if you auto minions you get shot by mercury cannon and basically you can at best go even in the damage/sustain trade.

Technically Jayce is on the higher ground, but well, it would all boil down to player skill anyway. But personally, as Jayce, I've never had any significant problems with anyone who's not able to do proper long-range damage and/or are tanky, and/or have good sustain - so the likes of Kennen, maybe Vlad, Ryze can be problematic (even though you can smack him away in the ulti), and most melees are screwed and has to cross the gap between the characters power level in-lane by player skill. Although I didn't fight any Aatroxes yet, so maybe I'll be corrected by experience :) (well I've met one, but he got DCed and came 2-levles lower than me and I used this fully to make his life living hell so that doesn't count).

True, but people tend to underestimate third level Jayce burst. Or, for that matter, 6th level. You think - hey, he basically doesn't get an ulti and I do! Little did you know his Q and E are both rank 3 and if he slams you with it it's gonna hurrrrrrrrt.

Jayce is pretty much OP as fuk right now so it's not really a contest in terms of "who is better"; also he is much more versatile - the poke, the utility, the engage, the disengage - you name it. So probably after the nerfs coming to him he will still be the better champ overall, although we shall se if the nerfbat don't smack him too hard in the face.
Also, you do need some practice to do Jayce hammerin' properly, while Aatrox is simpler - not claiming he's easy, I haven't played him yet, it's just managing 5 skills cooldowns and mana (well, before you get to the fully stacked tear), as well as hitting properly with gate'd Q is technically a bigger ordeal than just managing health and cooldowns.

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I fail to see how Aatrox fails to be useful with that OP focus discouraging passive. Buy GA on top of that and GG! They either burn all CC on you to keep you useless (get tenacity mastery and mercs and you can shrug  it off np) or you will murder them one by one because they definitely arent gonna kill you.

Yea tenacity masteries and you are unaffected by CC, sure thingy. That's how this game works, you get 40% reduction of stuns and it's no problem. Like, standing there only for 1,5 seconds is no biggie at all. Also, you don't need to burn ALL THE CC to keep you usless. One good exhaust is often sufficient.

The only way Aatrox works is when his team is strong enough to hold on a few seconds of 4v5 so he can go in after initial burnout of various cc forms and burst, or when enemy team is stupid enough to go and duel with him one by one, 'cause he's really good at dueling.

For initiation and disruption I'd rather have proper tank, like Zac, and for damage and all-ins i'd rather have assassin like Kha. Aatrox is yet another melee ADC, which tend to work only in VERY specific situations. His problem is he has to autoattack to deal damage. Right now I kinda feel that he's worse version of Irelia - she also relies on autoattacks, but she got more reliant scaling with autos (if she only hits twice hiten style is still dealing true damage, Aatrox has to stack his attacks), she's got REAL "fuck CC" mechanic so it's hard to peel her, and I think she can build more tanky than Aatrox to deal decent damage.

I should add a little disclaimer - while I do think that Aatrox is strong on his own merit, he's got very annoying laning phase and he can work in teamfights (sometimes), I don't think he'll be good addition to many teamcomps. I just can't see it right now. On the other hand, I haven't seen all that much of Aatrox plays. Maybe in future people will prove me wrong. We'll see.

Why is this still going on? O.o

Compare Aatrox to Xin Zhao. Stop and think about it. Think some more. Don't ever pick Aatrox over Xin Zhao. Or Jayce. Or most of top/mid laners or junglers. He's a cool char, I will play him, but he's sub-par when compared to most played champs.

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The first step of succeeding is believing you can succeed, the only limitations you can't overcome are the ones you are setting for yourself. Not everybody is naturally gifted but hard work and dedication can get you the same places natural talent will, only slower.
If your mindset is that you COULD do something BUT... which is pretty much what I am reading through your post then you WON'T.

You don't need to find something enjoyable to succeed at it, it will be easier if you enjoy it but that is it. If you decide to give up on something because you are unsatisfied with your progress on it or get bored doing it, it is you deciding you do not want to do it because it is hard. The stories about your natural potential with it being too low is just an excuse for yourself because you don't want it enough. That is not a criticism, if you do not want to do something don't do it and don't blame yourself for it. You don't have to achieve everything just the thing you actually want to.

I just gave you the living counter example of what you are saying. This guy has no legs and no arms so where is his natural talent for swimming? Yet he can swim better than a guy with legs and arms.

Of course some things are impossible, you can't walk on water using magic. But if someone can do it then you can do it. And sometimes you can even do things that no one ever did before but it will be even harder as you will have to believe when no one else will.

Hard work can get you places, that is true. But when someone who has natural talent at certain disciplines will always be ahead of you. You think that what is the reason there are no black gold medalists in swimming or majority of runners is black? That's not racism, those are facts. Black people are terrible at swimming, that's how their bodies developed and they can't overcome it. Those who sacrifice a lot to develop their swimming skills will still be mediocre at maximum.

About this guy with prosthetics swimming - actually it's difficult to say if it was harder for him than for a "normal" person. Prosthetics are lighter, were designed to move him underwater (our limbs are only so-so at this stuff), and most of their movement didn't require energy usage on the part of the swimmer. So he was kinda well equipped for the task he has met.
Mind you, I'm not trying to say that he hasn't achieved anything great - the feat of this man is astonishing, and also he needed lots of work put into it. BUT! You have to see that while he was extremely unfortunate in that he underwent that accident, later on he was very lucky with all the support he got. Not all victims of terrible accidents can afford 12 000 euro pair of prosthetic.

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Still wrong, sorry kiddo. There are A LOT of things out of your reach, no matter how much work you put into it. Hate to brake it to ya.

This guy http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Philippe_Croizon would like to have a talk with you.

But that guy was a cyborg, dont you think thats cheating? After all, robotic arms and legs are tireless not to mention that artifical fins helped him swim much faster. Its like bringing a car to an endurance race.

Are you being serious?

Prosthetic is not robotic... And he is using flippers like any other long distance swimmer except he is has legs as long as a 6 years old and no arms.

Are you this guy? You think any amputee can do this? You think anyone can do anything and set any record?
Goddamnit I'm not saying people aren't capable of achieving great things, I'm saying that most people aren't capable of achieving great things. And even if they are, it's usually in few specific areas. You're always good at some things, there are always people great in some things. But you don't achive that by putting a lot of effort only. You need predispositions, and often you need luck.

Let me put it that way: I can no problem sit for 4 hours straight drawing or painting, 6 hours straight playing games. But when I tried to pick up guitar I found myself very reluctant to sit on it for more than hour. It just bored me on the long run. I didn't have the willpower to make myself practice every day, though I can make myself to draw everyday even if I'm not in the mood. You know why? 'Cause I'm better at drawing than playing guitar. Putting equal amounts of time requires less effort and willpower on my part when it comes to drawing, and it gives me greater improvement on my skills. Also, at the end I will become better at drawing than guitar, as my brain is wired that way. 

If you are able to say to yourself one day "I want to be saxophone player!" and you pull through and after 10 years of practice you become good saxophone player, it's a big hint that you are just the type of guy who is able to do so. People drop things/don't pick up things not only because of laziness/unwillingness. It's often that they are jsut the type of guy who don't like to paint, so you will NOT become a painter. This is major part of the reason why you can't be anything you like.

So coming back to lol - if you are playing games whole your life, you are highly competitive and you feel the need to be the best at said game - you have a shot for diamond at least. But I personally know people who were playing their whole lives, and at LoL they're pretty much atrocious. I've got this one buddy that just kinda learned to be a support, but he's not better than me at this position even when he was playing it for past 3 years when I was trying all positions. Right now he has MORE combined games than me, and his judgment of situation and calls are terrible. He could want to be in Challenger all he wanted, there is a very, very, very slim chance of it ever happening. Sure, you can say "If he would train 12 hours a day for 5 years he would get there!". Maybe so. But it's silly statement, as there is no physical way he can pull that of and not die of starvation. So yea, he COULD DO IT! But he won't as we're living in the real world.

So stating you could achieve anything given right amount of time and dedication will work only in fantasy land (and not always as there are antitalents), where you are able to actually pull that off. In real world you are limited by... well, real world. So saying that starting today I could get to LCS is like saying I could punch president of USA in the face. Sure, there may be SOME way to attain this goal, but there is far to much troubles and time investment involved to achieve that, especially when you have 10 hours of work a day and other hobbies.

But yea I think I'm gonna say that my statements suggesting that when you hit a brick wall in gold division you should just get comfy is wrong. At that level you can get better without great personal sacrifices and investments. But you DO have to realise that your current level is not good enough to progress.

But I still stand by the fact that "YOU CAN DO ANYTHING IF YOU WORK YOUR ASS OFF!" is a fairy tale and too much of an understatement. I'd go in the lines "If you put a whole lot of work into one subject  that you find enjoyable, you can certainly get better at it; if you have necessary physical or psychical traits, and if luck is on your side, you can even achieve greatness."
Also, I agree with beebop64 post.

If you're often at top rankings at multiple games, you're just better at games than most people. You weren't "born to do it", you're just kind of guy who's good at games and putting the same amount of work will get much higher places than many others.

It's like I was in college - for me it took one, and not full, day to prepare for exam. My colleagues often had to work up to five times as hard and acquired worse results. I wasn't born to learn stuff, I'm better in learning stuff than your average Joe.

Also, as I go into more detail I may sound more optimistic, as I am not a pessimist at all. I'm just realistic, and my opening statment still stands: you can't do anything as long you work hard and put your mind to it. The higher you set the goals the more likely it is that you won't reach them.

Okay, I'm out.

I didn't defeat anything. I'm actually somewhat talented at drawing, so I COULD develop that and be decent artist (but probably not world-famus anyway)

I'm shite at fighting. I COULD develop that, but I'd be a bad fighter. So yea, I would get better until I'd hit a brick wall when progress would be so slow it would be almost invisible. Then I'd stay bad fighter till I'm pass my physical prime. So I'd waste lof of hard work to develop skill that is not fitted for me just to get basically as good as I can get, which would be still pretty bad in comparison to pros.

So you can do anything if your goals are: "I'm gonna be a decent figher! I'm gonna be able to play guitar!"
But goals like: "I'm gonna be a MMA celebrity! I'm gonna be a rock star!" are not attainable by sheer work and you need predispositions, hard work and luck comboed at once.

About hte engineer thing, idk. I know PhD students in lab that don't know how to properly calculate solutions molar concentration from percentage (w/v) concentrations. They'll probably get to the PhD degree. But I doubt they'll be "good" scientists. So bout your anecdotal engineers I have to take your word for it that they are actually GOOD.