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Veigar really needs this item! or maybe Karthus, because he would be able to flash+e and shield.

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Veigar really needs this item! or maybe Karthus, because he would be able to flash+e and shield.

Veigar has a passive manaregen which is quite enough for him with Golem buff and dorans. Here's a hint: Veigar doesn't need it. Have you ever seen NYjacky build it on Veigar? Answer is no. Because he needs survivability. Best Veig build atm is Sorc, Doran's R, Kage's, Doran's R, Raba, Void, DFG, Chain Vest, Quicksilver Sash or Grail (if you go for it get a Chalice early game), Zhonya's. Because you don't need tons of mana regen when you have Golem buff. Also, you won't be able to use tons of manaregen when you're dead.

Even on Karthus no one in top elo builds Archangel: they all go for Sorc + Chalice (optional but Asian teams abuse it) + RoA + Raba + Void + Zhonya's, the get Grail and whatever.

In short: Archangel is a niche item and it's pretty poor even on Kassadin. The only champs that really need Archangel are Ryze (who gets RoA+ FH+ Abyssal anyway so he's tanky as hell even with Arch) and AP Kog (with Rylai, Raba. Void + whatever) to sustain the increasing R costs, and he can afford to get an item with 0 resistances and average stats just because he has 2200 range, Flash, Cleanse and usually a Janna or Lulu or Alistar to CC and carebear him when he gets dived.

TL;DR: Archangel is very situational and 5h177y item, and that's why it's being remade. Seraph's Embrace looks a bit better because it has a strong active, but if you think it's a good item, you should absolutely stack 4 of those and get Raba (skip Void and defense stats, that's for losers). I can assure you Galio will tremble in fear before you.

I never said that Karthus should build archangels. Of course Ryze is building AA, i was talking about who might build Seraph's Embrace that isn't building AA atm. 

It always depends on the situation, but if you are having 3000 mana with karthus, the shield provides 750 hp shield, which definetely is strong. It does indeed work on rift walking kassadins,  but once you hit end game AA would be too risky a item to keep and two bad in early game. With the shield it will provide the defensive stats a kassadin needs since he will only be in a fight for 2.5 seconds before riftwalking away again. 

I never said you sohuld stack 4 SE, i can assure you i know how to build. If you're building something like ROA, Rabadons, Zhonyas, Boots, Void and you need a sixth item it could be SE or Abyssal, but depending on the enemy ap carry and your own champ, SE might be more effective in some cases.

MANA STACKING BLITZ NEVER DIES!

is that a overall nerf to manaless champs i see? that item looks really strong

hows the mana+that active compare to building hp, gold wise?

to be fair how many manaless champs are considered op/up, if they are trying to fix the balance between classes, giving manaless champ have *A* downside besides nerfing their kits, just like how there isnt enough attack speed tank items to build on-hit champs tanky, maybe all manaless champs should not have access to a shield late game

Seraph's Embrace is really awesome! Really good work riot! (y)

I love how it adds more depth to LoL items, and the fact that it just 'upgrades' itself is really great.
 I would love to see this kind of thing on more items, The New Eleisa's Miracle for e.g is one great step towards support itemization.

HOWEVER!!!! My main champion has got something to say!

NIDALEE has always been a prime customer of Archangel Staff; charging it to max. in cougar form by 14 min in the game.

Does that mean she wont be able to use it as her cougar form does not use mana?

That is a unique problem riot needs to address ASAP! How am i gonna increase mana on Nidalee?

NVM! i just read the Q&A! it's alright!

ToG still works on ALL the champs it used to work with :)

I'm actually really pissed. Rabadons, Sorc Boots, and 4 Archangels may be a troll build, but it was DAMN fun. Making the % mana into AP a unique passive is just uncalled for.

This will be a great item on Singed - with FoN being out of the picture, unless a better option comes along, you will be looking to a BV instead.

You can also power up the tear in less and 10 minutes if you make it a focus (toggle every 3 seconds, 20x per minute).

Itemization could look like this - RoA (725 mana), SE (1000 mana), FH (500 mana), BV (375 mana), Mercs being the core, with a 6 item being whatever you need vs the enemy.  Add this to his 1025 base.

3625 mana @ level 18 if you itemize this way.  This also gives 108.75 bonus AP capping at 248.75 (could be slightly different if you took the mana masteries or AP masteries). 

Then of course, a big, fat 900 HP shield.  

But FoN was a pretty godlike item on Singed - I think people underestimated it slightly.

Here many other posts by Xypherous on the new Eleisa's Miracle:

Eleisa's Miracle (1175 Gold)
+10 Health per 5 seconds
+15 Mana per 5 seconds
Removed Tenacity
Unique Passive - Aid: Your Heal, Clairvoyance and Revive cooldowns are reduced by 20%
Unique Passive: If you gain 3 levels while holding Eleisa's Miracle, you gain 10 HP/5, 15 MP/5 and the Aid Passive permanently and the item disappears from your inventory.

Ryze more tanky.

Seraph's Embrace and a few rod of ages for singed? redicilous shield, decent ap, and tons of health right there. Seems logical if they'd limit the shield, on the other hand its 2.5 seconds with a 2 minute cooldown so it could save you from being bursted down as an AP