New Item Previews - Tiamat and Ravenous Hydra

New Item Previews - Tiamat and Ravenous Hydra

Xypherous hits the forums with more item preview today. Make sure to check the redtracker for any Q&A he does in the thread.

Hello again Summoners. Continuing from my initial discussion here of upcoming itemization changes for the preseason, I’d like to talk about a current item to which we’re making changes, as well as its new and exciting upgrade.

It’s Tuesday. You know what’s coming.

Tiamat
  • (Melee Only)
  • +50 Attack Damage
  • +15 Health Regen per 5 seconds
  • UNIQUE Passive – Cleave: Your attacks deal up to 60% of your Attack Damage to units around your target – decaying down to 20% near the edge.
  • UNIQUE Active – Crescent: Deals up to 100% of your Attack Damage to units around you – decaying down to 60% near the edge – 10 second cooldown.

For a very long time, Tiamat has been sitting in this quasi-state of ‘Is this a good item? Is this a terrible item?’ No longer. We’ve cleaned up Tiamat to be far more streamlined in the new item set, giving it a larger cleave range (at the cost of reduced damage near the edge) and greater synergy with other items by removing the restriction of dealing damage based on the damage of the original attack.


So what’s different?

1. It has a Unique Passive. Tiamats no longer stack to form odd cases where you deal more damage to a secondary target than the primary target.
2. Tiamat no longer cares about the damage you deal with your main attack; thus, Tiamat procs don’t need you to itemize heavy critical strike in order to take advantage of dealing crazy damage. You will always deal a set amount of splash damage based on your Attack Damage.
3. It has a short-cooldown active that allows you to perform a stronger version of the passive Cleave at any time.
4. It is Melee Only, meaning it is no longer a trap item on ranged characters. The active and passive components will literally turn off and be unusable for ranged characters, with the same effect kicking in for dual form characters such as Jayce or Nidalee when they’re in ranged form.
5. It has a much larger cleave radius, at the expense of damage falloff.
6. It no longer has mana regeneration.
7. It has an upgrade.

Let’s examine how this might affect your use of Tiamat:

1. It lets you clear minion waves more quickly

Having a larger passive cleave and an active cleave allows melee fighters or carries who pick up Tiamat to farm waves more efficiently, granting decent wave-clear ability to characters who lack it. Characters like Poppy, for example, can now clear a wave with Tiamat in a relatively short amount of time through a combination of passive and active procs.

2. It makes your burst combo more flexible

Having the active Crescent ability means an additional AoE physical spell that you can weave in to your burst combos. A Riven, for example, might take the time to use the Crescent active in between her dashes – while a Fiora would want to use Crescent as soon as she descends upon a target with Lunge.

3. It can be used effectively by a wider variety of characters and be useful in more situations

Being built out of high Health Regeneration and Attack Damage gives Tiamat a very smooth build up path for the early game. With the ability to itemize both heavy regeneration and attack damage early in the game you can gain a very strong staying presence in lane.

The Upgrade

Ravenous Hydra
  • (Melee Only)
  • +75 Attack Damage
  • +15 Health Regen per 5 seconds
  • +10% Life Steal
  • Passive: Damage dealt by this item works with Life Steal.
  • UNIQUE Passive – Cleave: Your attacks deal up to 60% of your Attack Damage to units around your target – decaying down to 20% near the edge.
  • UNIQUE Active – Crescent: Deals up to 100% of your Attack Damage to units around you – decaying down to 60% near the edge – 10 second cooldown.

Introducing Ravenous Hydra, a life steal upgrade for Tiamat. While it doesn’t enhance any of the damaging aspects of Tiamat, Ravenous Hydra allows you to drain from surrounding enemies via your life steal statistic. This can grant melee fighters incredible staying power when outnumbered or assaulting the front lines. While Hydra won’t decimate teams on its own without a huge amount of Attack Damage, the combination of the active ability and life steal will allow experienced players to gain a burst of healing by using Crescent to attack and drain multiple enemy champions.

But wait! I’m a Ranged Carry type of player. What do I get in order to do AoE damage?

Stay Tuned.

-Xypherous

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Comments

  • #26 Crayonsnacha

    you're inadvertantly nerfing fiora's damage and potential by making tiamats unique.

  • #27 pagansaint

    Tiamat stacked Fiora didn't do as much damage as people like to lead on. The AoE on current Tiamat was so tiny that you literally had to stand on top of one another to get splashed, it is smaller than Malphite's W AoE which won't hit all of a camp or wave if positioned even slightly wrong.

    This change will actually make her farming better and give more actual usable potential damage output when she ults.

    Last edited by pagansaint: 11/14/2012 10:39:15 AM
  • #28 ohGr

    Well, Tiamat stacking DID do as much damage as you'd think, but only during ult, and most people didn't realize that was the reason it was a thing. Much like on Shyvana's Q during Ult, it's only useful for one gambit, but if you DO connect it, it can be game breaking. A 4 Tiamat Fiora can instantkill a team if they are all stacked within close proximity, but the amount of times that happens is really low, as no team should be that stupid.

  • #31 pagansaint

    Yes. Very close proximity. You would need to be facing an all melee team caught in a Galio ult or a team of complete retards to get everyone in range of the splash. Again, the splash on Tiamat was tiny, very tiny. If that did happen? Yes, penta kill insta gib potential.

  • #33 Th0ughtful

    Have you seen the wombo combo that is tiamat fiora + oriana/diana? cause it ain't falco...

  • #23 pagansaint

    Ginormous Trundle, Mundo, and split push buff item lmao

  • #20 Greenmoloch

    Not sure if this will be the best choice for the likes of Pantheon or Renekton, but sounds very interesting.

  • #22 scruftypufty

    well i don't think it was created for ad catsers / assasins it's more for bruisers and maybe a ad teemo ;D

     

  • #25 guy420

    yeah because teemo is totally melee.

    The item active will make it useful in some AD casters, will be like having an extra 1.0 AoE ability with 10s CD.

    Also malphite.

  • #30 exacerberus

    A Teemo comment from a Teemo player.

    The splash just works on melee AAs. Read the other posts from Xypherous instead than just the first one.

    This item is clearly meant for melee bruisers and melee AD casters/assassins  (which means all AD casters except Urgot, which is a weird case); the synergy between its splash dmg and Black Cleaver and will help stacking and spreading armor debuffs in teamfights.

  • #32 Greenmoloch

    Well, Pantheon and Renekton ARE Bruisers, actually a lot of Bruisers are Semi-AD-Casters imo.

    Oh and i hope Teemo dies a lot of cruel deaths in S3.

     

  • #19 sgtcolon

    I hope this procs on Wukong's ultimate :D RH/LW/BT would be sick.

  • #18 Zalfi

    Wait, what about Kayle, will using her fireblade turn this off. I assume it wont since she worked with old Tiamat.

  • #13 IconX
    "But wait! I’m a Ranged Carry type of player. What do I get in order to do AoE damage?"

    You get a Tristana.
  • #9 exerior88

    If this will procc from Warwicks ultimate he will be broken.

  • #10 FatsXL

    It will, and I don't agree necessarily. WW doesn't usually build AD and even if he did the damage isn't that immense and the radius probably won't be very large. How often do you stand next to a WW ulted character for a full 1.8 seconds?

  • #14 exerior88

    Well I am guessing that WW will be played as an assassin from some of the new items.  Wits End Blade of the Ruined King and Ravenous Hydra combo ,but who knows cant w8 for the full item list :D

  • #29 ohGr

    Actually, WW is the one person that used to utilize Madred's well, even Morello admitted that, so BoTRK is a downgrade to him. Since WW actually wanted magic pen, and his ult front loaded 5 attacks with onhit in 1.8 seconds, Madred's would shred people hard. As for Wit's End, he's always used that. :p

  • #12 Gilaeth

    The old one did too. Just as it procs on Fiora's ult.

  • #8 Rispudding

    Will have to try Poppy with this item. It may actually make her viable as the regen and wave clear combined with you also building resist should see her through laning faze

    Last edited by Rispudding: 11/13/2012 8:08:49 PM
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