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Since i'm starting to wonder why we are even arguing about that since none of us works at Riot AFAIK, i'm just going to add this: you sound like people who got out of, say, high school, where they were taught Y, and then they realize that their younger siblings are now taught Y+Z. And that leaves a bad impression of wasted time, or of unfair easyness.

If that is the case, you better start getting over it already dude, that's just the way it goes: pioneers and elders get to do all the hard work and discoveries, only to see those come after them exploit said results and enjoy them from the start, off the work of others. There are players starting LoL right now, and they'll learn way faster than you or me did, because there's more guides and streams etc. We just gotta get over it.

Anyways i have stated my opinion and don't have any more to say on the topic, so until Riot brings it up if ever, i'm out.

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Your familiar with the slippery slope argument right? Long story short it's give them an inch and they'll take a mile. I was sort of nervous but accepting of the corpse map icons and the dragon / baron callouts, but this is the biggest step they've taken by a long shot. Which bring us back to ghetifals original question. How far are you going to let riot baby you before it finally becomes too much?

How about displaying gold earned and gold held by the enemy, ultimate cool down indicators for enemies just like teammates, how about rings to display auto attack and spell ranges I mean why memories? Summoner spell cool downs in the tab menu. They could even put timers on enemy wards that you witness, rings for their vision range. Pathing prediction for enemies that enter fog of war. When is it too much how far will it go?

Saying no this is too much hand holding, won't suddenly remove AP, ability scaling, increase CC duration, implement str, dex, int, secret shops, re arrange the items and change all champions to heroes, it wont bring back deny, or curlers or rearange the map. Saying enough isenouph won't make this game dota. Your not dumb eniuph to believe that don't act like you are.

Overall I have to agree -to a certain extent- with your points, even if you back them up with a bit too much of elitism and enforce the "old school approach" to the rules in an exceedingly authoritarian way.

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I fail to see how the Baron/Dragon callouts can be viewed as anything bad. There are only two possible scenarios there.

1) You're with a team on skype, and one of the big bads dies, someone calls it over skype.

2) You're solo Q, someone kills it and says nothing. Despite it being your teams kill, you lost info you would have had due to solo Q players being generally lazy. You still have it in that you'll see the skull icon repop, but you lost a minor edge due to info being lost.

That was the point of the callouts, to remove semi trivial comments having to be made in chat in solo Q. It had absolutely no impact on team 5v5's.

Nor would objective timers. Pro teams were already doing that and had a counter. Having to type it in team chat is more of a skill than simply checking an ingame timer? Artificial skill bar much?

Well, you can easily infer the slain time of Baron, Lizard and Golem by keeping track of the expiration time of the buff on its holders. Blessing of the Ancient Golem/Lizard Elder last 2,5 mins (3 if you or the target have Runic Affinity), so for Golem/Lizard you just have to count 150 seconds (120 if you have RA mastery or you assume the buff holder has it) from when the buff wears off, whilst for Baron the respawn time is always 3 mins after the buff wears off (buff lasts 4 mins, Baron respawn timer is 7 and RA mastery doesn't work with it). About the Dragon ofc there's no buff to track down, so yeah, you have to note down the timer when he gets slain or you won't be able to deduce it even if your team actually killed him or had vision in that moment.

Anyway you're right, everyone half decent is already keeping track of the respawn timers, so to be honest automated timers would just lessen the chat micromanagement (imho).

I don't have a problem with the buff timers. All it does is give you info you already have access to.  League of Legends sets itself apart from DotA by eliminating many tedious tasks that are not exceptionally difficult, but take time to learn and thus greatly increasing the learning curve of the game.  The reason why LoL is more successful is because they have made the game more accessible and removed superflous aspects of the game that are added merely for more difficulty.  There are far more important parts of playing a MoBA game that already make it difficult.  I.e. learning the skillsets and playstyles of every champ and learning how to play with and against them.  Learning how to position yourself during teamfights, how to play a lane matchup, etc.

Really? Objective timers? Please no. The less there is for a player to do, the less there is to differentiate players, and the less fun the game is.

Looks like the voice of reason was heard, after all the posts i made on how penetration nerfs were too hard compared to the intent.

Today is a good day. Brb gotta play Zed. We never know how long these things last.

Scaling rewards are currently buffed @ 50% increase, so there's quite a bit more gold available over time. Most jungle 'losers' only actually have issues with the first clear anyways, so that's the part that needs buffing.

Problem is I haven't noticed any recent changes to the jungle gold, and if that's true then junglers won't see more gold till past 11 minutes, which is really the big issue.

They buffed jungle loosers so they won´t die during first clear (don´t rage abut "losers" i main 2 of them) but you still don´t get any money

Screw everything else, Finally that Sejuani Buff we've all been waiting for, Sejuani is going to have an amazing season, can't wait...

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Screw everything else, Finally that Sejuani Buff we've all been waiting for, Sejuani is going to have an amazing season, can't wait...

Are you being ironic? I can't tell.

If serious, I think you are overdoing the impact of her buffs by quite a distance. Machete and changes to MSpd will have the bigger impact. Still it will make her come out of the jungle with more health and that's a good thing.

Pony buff! Hope it stays that way

soooo how much does BT cost in total now?

3000 as it has been before.