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Jarvan is not getting nerfed! At least not directly. It was a bug that made him do max passive damage that sped up his Jungle time. That explains a lot. Hope this will be it. Will have to test his jungle time asap once this goes live.

Wow this is sad, people crying about Vi and J4 being OP so they wanna nerf?  This is so silly, their are other stronger picks out there, Vi and J4 really aren't part of the problem.  Let's not touch Shen or Kha'Zix who are pretty much banned almost every game.

What does ''being banned from everygame'' means?

people ban them because most people do, most of them don't have a fucking clue what the champion does.

only now they stopped banning shaco because people realize he's shit, and morgana doesn't get banned anymore and she's pretty much the same.

players are just copycats.

So sad, J4 was my main jungle since season 1 and I just bought the warring kingdoms skin...

Vi is just to incredible . Her ganks are superb . So its obvious in my eyes .

J4 and Xin nerfs are also obvious .

I can understand Jarvan and Xin to an extent (hopefully they do not mega-nerf them) but Vi only has a 50% win rate at the moment. I just don't see how nerfs could affect Vi without destroying her and making her unusable.

Oh well, it seems to be the fate of all new champions. Might as well welcome Vi to the Rengar-Diana tier.

too true. :'(

Riot specifically said the last time they fixed a lot of her bugs that they were also an indirect buff to her. So the numbers that resulted after the fixes were not they numbers they saw on PBE when they were trying to balance her output.

I really hope they don't think the functionality of her kit is OP. She could use a few small number tweaks though.

That's the dumbest shit I've heard. The champ should be balanced around not being buggy to begin with, and making something work as intended should not be considered buffing. The reason she's so strong is because her W combats the Warmog's meta and lets her clear the new jungle so well. She already has a lot of bad matchups in lane, more incoming. I don't think these 3 champs are OP (especially based on their win rate), and balancing exclusively around what's FOTM is stupid and lazy.

I obviously wont give up on the game but ill have severe support issues if Jarvan is nerfed. Vi and Xin are just some really good champions, there have been many champions that are just better than others, why does it always resort to nerfing? why not buff other champions to make them better? I dunno, buff Udyr, buff WW, buff Shyv... Stop nerfing

J4 is my favorite champion for a long time now and he doesn't need a nerf, I'll be the first to let you know his base stats are insanely low compared to almost all top lane champions... His passive gives him a minor damage boost *every 6 seconds MIN* and he has an armor and AS steroid in his E like no need to nerf these abilites *which his passive isn't that good as is* and his is just fine as is, champions shouldn't be nerfed because they are good in the jungle... When you do that, they become un-viable in lane because of their unnecessary nerf.

Nerfing J4 would leave him only in jungle because he wouldn't be able to lane against champions who have higher base stats *which as i said, is just about all of them* He only levels the playing field because of his E which is probably what they will nerf. He also basically has 3 abilities... his w is probably the worst shield in game and the slow does literally nothing.

Nerfing Xin will do the same thing and bring him back to an less than playable champion because he wont be doing damage or tanking because they will nerf his ult *which is why people are playing him so much right now* nerfing xin will remove him from lane *not that he is best there but why are we limiting champions to specific positions?* He is good right now because he tank's he CC's and he does both of them for a long time before dying.

Vi cannot lane, nerfing her will put her in an unplayable situation where people will not play her anymore because her laning is utter crap because her damage *IN LANE* comes from drawn out trades but because she has no sustain *that shield is pretty mediocre, remember when they said in the spotlight "you'll barely even notice her passive it's on cooldown" yea I don't even notice she has a passive*, her trade is terrible and he gets bullied by people who have better sustained damage *like Darius or Garen* or gets destroyed by champions that have sustain *like Yorick or Cho*

They have buffed the jungle, champions can no longer farm jungle and gank less. So what do we do? farm less and gank more, so we use champions that are good at ganking, why the F are they nerfing a champion because it is good at what they made it do? Do they notice that after nerfs, Zyra is barely played anymore, and is played more often as a support and not a mid *WHICH IS NOT WHAT SHE WAS MADE FOR LOL*

Vi and J4 can clear jungle well but take more skill on ganks, Xin has HORRIBLE jungle clearing but has ez mode ganks... RIOT please take a look at what you are doing. Do they not realize that after nerfs and 2 re-buffs that Rengar is STILL under played and has a horrible win% because of what buffs to the jungle do?

Riot is just upset that the community realized the next best way to play the game *which is by winning team fights by getting early leads from strong ganks* Rather than long drawn out games where farm is OP

Relax, it'll only be a nerf to Dragon Strike's armor shred.

The armor shred was balanced in Season 2 when the armor pen formula was reversed.

I expect Xin Zhao to get the same nerf to his challenge passive.

There is absolutely no need to over-react, anyone with armor shred/armor pen is pretty powerful at the moment.

If you buff all champions to the overpowered champions' level, it results in power creep. Google it if you don't know why that is bad.

A nerf can hit rather severely to a champion's jungle without affecting their laning abillity that much. In jarvan's case, nerf his base AS or his AS from E some (really strong in jungle) and if necessary buff his armor reduction on Q or something else that won't matter as much in jungle.

The same can be done about Xin, and to some degree Vi.

About Vi's passive. First of all, that you do not notice it does not mean it is doing nothing. Second, it scales with defensive items, meaning it is a lot more helpful to bruiser-like builds. If you build heavy damage, it is not suprising that you don't notice it. 

Zyra was played mid at a recent tourney, and i play her myself sometimes. That the champion is played rarely does not have to mean it's weak, it can just have a niche appeal.

Vi and J4 both have some of the most unavoidable ganks at level 6 (2 gap closers, one of which is not a skill shot and has applied cc). If the enemy does not have a built-in escape mechanism that pretty much spells flash or die. Xin is picked in tourneys a lot and his clearing isn't that horrible (better than shen's). These champions are deserving of some nerfs in my opinion, at least Xin and Vi. 

Rengar, i agree with you that he is somewhat weak. He is a bit of a special issue though, as his mechanics are at their core kind of toxic and hard to balance. Read Hash's latest article, it was actually fairly accurate on this topic.

I would guess that riot is very happy with the changes from passive farming to aggressive plays that is happening especially at the top level. Their increase of ambedient gold and decrease of farm value implies that they wanted this, it makes for a more enjoyable game both to play and watch. Nerfing the champions who benefited from this, who were balanced around the previous type of play, only shows that they have embraced the change.

Moral of the rant: In general riot knows better what the state of the game is like, and are in a better (and more qualified) position to say what is best for it :)

How the fuck can Jarvan possibly need a nerf, Nothing even changed about him for like over a year, his base stats are already VERY average for a bruiser, and his ult is still bugged like fuck. I suppose his passive got a bit better in new jungle and with everyone stacking HP, but that's hardly the end of the world. 

I'm getting tired of Riot pointlessly handing out nerfs just because something became popular. With so many champs in the league there's always going to be something that sits unused for ages until somebody discovers it is actually good.

People  always try to overationalize this will all the "meta shitfs, new itemisation" rarararara bullshit because its easier then admiting we might have been wrong about something not being viable.