[Official Riot Post] Pick Order vs. Call Order

Pick Order vs. Call Order

Riot says "we've ultimately decided to endorse Pick Order over Call Order as an underlying system." However with this, they also say "Pick Order is meant to be a last resort when settling discussions - this is why we are endorsing it and not mandating it."

Originally Posted by Riot (View RedTracker Source)

Summoners,

As you all know, we value communication and collaboration above all when it comes to choosing roles in ranked games. According to the Player Behavior team's studies, teams that cooperate together have a greater chance to win. Naturally, cooperation and communication is something we want to encourage within all games of League of Legends.

That said, we do know that there have been some problems with coming to an agreement at champion select, and many players have defaulted to one of two systems: Pick Order – where players higher on the pick list have first choice of their role – and Call Order – where players believe whoever “calls” a role first gets the right to it. For a while, we've been asked what our own official stance is on Pick Order versus Call Order and, after much consideration, we've ultimately decided to endorse Pick Order over Call Order as an underlying system. There are many reasons why Pick Order works better to encourage communication and cooperation in teams:

  • Players with faster load times shouldn't have an unfair advantage in Call Order
  • Pick Order occurs naturally in the current design, so it's more intuitive
  • Over time, players get an equal number of opportunities to be each pick slot
  • Players shouldn't have to race to type a position at the start of each match

At this point we would like to stress, once again, that Pick Order should not be the first thing players turn to in determining who plays what role in ranked games. Pick Order is meant to be a last resort when settling discussions - this is why we are endorsing it and not mandating it. Communication and collaboration are still the most important things when it comes to playing ranked games, and we hope players will continue to uphold the Summoner's Code in all of their matches. If you refuse to communicate with your team and rely only on Pick Order to determine your role selection, you are still being a toxic player and this will reflect negatively upon you. By officially endorsing Pick Order, however, we are hoping this will give more structure to players and may help settle some disputes. And, of course, this isn't the only thing we're doing to address champion select as a process. For more information on our long-term plans, turn to this discussion with Lyte, status kwoh, and davin. We've also included a mini-FAQ for players who have further questions on our endorsement of this philosophy.

Happy hunting,

Socrates

 

  • Q: How will Riot be able to enforce this?

A: The short answer is it won't be strictly enforced. We want to create an environment that encourages collaboration when creating team comps. Strict enforcement here could potentially obstruct that. However, in the event that somebody is breaking the Summoner's Code in champ select, players can use the existing reporting tools like the tribunal.


  • Q: I'm last pick and I have no idea how to play the role left to me – so I get reported either way. What do I do?

A: It's best to go into ranked with at least a basic grasp of how to play every role. Having said that, behavioral and game skill reporting is handled differently. Receiving an ‘unskilled player' report can't result in a ban.


  • Q: I ALWAYS end up last pick so this will have a significantly negative impact on me – how does pick order even get decided?

A: On average players should be seated in each pick order roughly the same number of times over a large enough set of games.


  • Q: So if I play with a friend who's significantly higher ranked than me, I will never have a choice in my role?

A: In this specific case, you could ask your friend to make a pick for you and then trade. More generally it's pretty rare to find a team who all insist on playing specific positions. It's worth communicating your strongest and weakest positions to your team since usually a compromise can be found.

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Comments

  • #93 PerfectSelf

     TL;dr last pick is support

  • #92 FatsXL

    About time.

  • #83 MarcoFoxRoberto

    Good call. I won't mind giving up my "spot" if someone says they are good with it, but I dislike people autolocking stuff just because they called it. I like the fact that Riot finally took a step up in a definite choice.

  • #82 SpawnOfTheBeast

    I can understand why pick order beats call order when those are the only 2 choices, but that doesn't make it a good option. Effectively this will mean (especially in lower tier games) that mid and top will get first picked and this will off course lead to severe countering. I wish theyd said said they endorse pick order but emphasized the importance of certain roles being picked later in the pick order.

    This will also lead to bad habits and players being forced to play roles they've never really got comfortable with. Plus if you duo queue it's more than likely both of you will end up being bottom picks, so effectively this hugely limits the variety and choice for those players.

  • #81 satanworshippingcultist

    How could anyone even try to justify call order in ranked games? I was personally using calling only for trolling in normals by copy pasting "mid" immediately into the chat after the champ selection opened and then saying "first" when fights over mid broke out.

    Its good to say your primary role in ranked (saying nothing should mean you can play everything) but trying to enforce it is retarded as hell.

  • #80 Gameguy301
    PEOPLE SAYING DISCUSS WITH YOUR TEAM ARE MISSING THE POINT, DISCUSSION IS ALWAYS PLAN A THAT SHOULD BE PAINFULLY OBVIOUS TO ANYONE, WE ARE HERE TO DISCUSS PLAN B WHEN / IF PLAN A FAILS.

    If your are telling us to discuss with the team you are missing the point and wasteing time.
  • #69 Cerbereth

    Yes finally.

  • #91 Isfirrius

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  • #66 OuterRaven

    First they complain because Riot didn't take a stand in the pick vs call war. Now they complain because they did.

    There's just no way to please some people.

  • #76 PalestineBeFree

    Quote from OuterRaven »

    First they complain because Riot didn't take a stand in the pick vs call war. Now they complain because they did.

    There's just no way to please some people.

    Fucking This ^

  • #77 Gameguy301
    Yep your right clearly the millions of people of the league of legends community all have one singular voice with one singular opinion and are very fickle.......oh wait that's wrong.

    Here let me rephrase your problem. First the crowd boos when the lakers score and the crowd boos when the rockets score there's just no way to please this crowd..........
    Last edited by Gameguy301: 5/17/2013 1:13:08 AM
  • #86 Arcane_Azmadi

    Dude has identified the logical fallacy in claiming that "you can never please some people". The truth is you can never please EVERYONE, but it's not like there's a group of hardcore recidivists out there determined to be against everything all the time.

     

  • #87 OuterRaven

    @Gameguy301 You always find a way to make me look bad don't you?

    Last edited by OuterRaven: 5/17/2013 6:58:56 AM
  • #64 drkmgic

    finally!!!!!!!!!

  • #62 Kudakuda

    What if someone say WE PICK TOGETHER and you know you are higher but it cant be explained to kids? Same thing, this will not stop trolls and kids.

  • #65 RCM94

    If you think you deserve to pick something because you are higher and pick at the same time you are a fool and more of a kid than anyone,in that situation you should DISCUSS **gasp** and come up with a solution, your MMRs are going to be so close that it wont matter regardless.

     

  • #78 Kudakuda

    Quote from RCM94 »

    If you think you deserve to pick something because you are higher and pick at the same time you are a fool and more of a kid than anyone,in that situation you should DISCUSS **gasp** and come up with a solution, your MMRs are going to be so close that it wont matter regardless.

     

    If i have 70%win rate champions i want to play them and not let someone play both of those 2 roles that i play if i pick before him. If i pick last i can ask for role but i will play what is left.  after a thread i opened here about hard counters i beleave much less in them so when i pick top first dont call me noob.

  • #59 yarumasi

    Oh boy now I get to watch people cry "yeah but riot said pick order so reported gg in 20"

  • #90 Kharai

    Perhaps try playing the other roles then like a respectable player instead of locking AP Yi mid every game or something then. 

  • #48 Benegesserit

    All this divide simply means they need a new system. Role queue it is then.

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