Unofficial PBE Changes for 9/9 - New Champion Trades Tech, Possible Champion Sightwards Spotted, Olaf Changes here, and More

WIP POST

Still digging for more!

12:01 AM EST - Second PBE Patch has hit

The following items can be found edited or added below

  • Ward Skins now have pictures
  • Ryze Changes
  • Cassiopeia changes reverted 
  • Some Garen Changes reverted 

 Soraka, Lux, and Draven SightWards - 640RP

Originally Posted by Riot (View RedTracker Source)

You've seen them during the holidays, but many of you have been asking to spruce up your ward supply on non-seasonal occasions. We've heard you and we're pleased to officially unveil the League's first permanent ward skins for 640 RP, now on PBE.

This first run of wards is themed after some of your favorite League champions, so even if you get edged out in the draft, you can still show your champion pride wherever you're laning. The next time you want to scout an inconveniently-placed patch of brush in style (or if you just can't wait for another chance to check out Draven's majestic moustache), now you can. 


 Update Garen VO ( note: DEMACIA is still there - it is just not part of the UPDATE files, thus not in video)


Olaf Looking Fancy with Ult


Champion Changes

Cassiopeia

She has been fixed, all changes removed. If you wish to see what WAS on the PBE - click below

This looks to be a bug hehe

  • Petrifying Gaze [ R ] - Now deals 150/275/400 (down from 200/325/450)
  • Petrifying Gaze [ R ] - Range is now 875 (up from 750)
  • Petrifying Gaze [ R ] - No cooldown 
  • Petrifying Gaze [ R ] - No mana cost

 


Ryze (Added in Second PBE Patch)

  • Base health is now 400 (Up from 360)
  • MS is now 340 (up from 335)
  • Base armor is now 15(up from 11)
  • Desperate Power [ R ] - Now grants 80/80/80 MS (up from 60/70/80)

Olaf

  • Base damage is now 57.2 ( down from 57.6)
  • Base damage now  gets +3.1 per level (down from +3.5 )
  • Base mana is now 235 ( down from 270)
  • Base mana now gets +35 per level ( down from +45 per level)
  • Ragnarok [ R ] - Now divided to a Passive and an Active
  • Ragnarok [ R ] - Passive: Olaf gains 10/20/30 Armor and 10/20/30 Magic Resist.
  • Ragnarok [ R ] - Active: Olaf removes all disables from himself and becomes immune to them for the next 6 seconds. During this time, Olaf loses the passive portion of Ragnarok and gains 40/60/80 Attack Damage.
  • Ragnarok [ R ] - Cost 0/0/0 (Previously 100/75/50 Mana)
  • Ragnarok [ R ] - Cooldown changed to 120/100/80 Seconds (from 100/100/100)
  • Reckless Swing [ E ] - Now deals 100/145/190/235/280 (+40% Bonus AD) True damage (down from 100/160/220/280/340 true damage)
  • Reckless Swing [ E ] - Added to the tooltip: 'This ability's cost is equal to 40 % of the total damage dealt.'
  • Reckless Swing [ E ] - Added to the tooltip: 'Basic attacks lower the cooldown of Reckless Swing by 1 second.'
  • Reckless Swing [ E ] - Cooldown is now 12/11/10/9/8 Seconds (up from 9/8/7/6/5)
  • Undertow [ Q ] -Tooltip now says: 'Olaf throws an axe to a target location, dealing 65/110/155/200/245 (+100% Bonus AD) physical damage to units it passes through and slowing them by 35/40/45/50/55 % for up to 2 seconds.The further the Axe flies, the longer the slow lasts,but it is never less than 1 second.'
  • Vicious Strikes [ W ] - Tooltip now says: 'For 6 seconds, Olaf's Attack Speed is increased by 30/45/60/75/90 % and he gains 8/10.5/13/15.5/18 % Lifesteal.During this time,Olaf also receives 1% increased healing from all sources for every 2.5 % of Health he was missing when Vicious Strikes was activated.'
  • Vicious Strikes [ W ] - Now costs 35 Mana (changed from 40/45/50/55/60)


Garen

  • Base health regeneration per 5 secs is now 7 ( down from 7.45)
  • Judgment [ E ] - Reverted back to the way it is on live

Katarina

  • Death Lotus [ R ] -Now deals 400/550/700 (+3.75*AD) (+2.5*AP) (up from 400/500/600 (+3*AD) (+2*AP))
  • Death Lotus [ R ] - Duration is now 2.5 seconds (up from 2 seconds)
  • Death Lotus [ R ] - Cooldown is now 60/52.5/45 Seconds (down from 60/55/50)

Thresh

  • Death Sentence [ Q ] - Added to the tooltip: 'Death Sentence's cooldown is reduced by 3 seconds if it strikes an enemy.'
  • Death Sentence [ Q ] - Base cooldown increased to 20/18/16/14/12 Seconds (Up from 18/16.5/15/13.5/12 Seconds)

Shyvana

  • Burnout [ W ] - Now deals 20/32/44/56/68 damage per second to nearby enemies (down from 25/40/55/70/85)
  • Burnout [ W ] - Movement speed granted changed to 25/31.3/37.5/43.8/50 % (from 30/35/40/45/50 %)
  • This will not go live - See red post below

Riot on the Shyvana Change

Originally Posted by Riot (View RedTracker Source)

We aren't making imminent changes to Shyvana's Burnout. This datamine was another piece of Season 4 fighter testing bits of which I incorrectly promoted to the PBE (as seen with Garen). The plan was to pair it with some sexy changes to her dragon form.

FWIW our internal testing on all the changes currently shows the W you saw to be a bit too weak.

As to our overall view of Shyvana, I think she's balanced but her Dragon Form doeesn't feel sufficienly epic. I want Shyvana to be a bully, but a more moderate one early, in exchange for a lvl 16 dragon form where she becomes a literal raid boss, turning the enemy backline into a pile of charred corpses. Rez and run back.


New Champion Trades Tech

Originally Posted by Riot (View RedTracker Source)

Hey PBE Community,

We’re rolling out a revamped Trades system that I’d like you all to hammer on. It’s a more robust system that we believe will serve your trade requests better.

The pain points we addressed were largely around the system’s reliability. 

We fixed situations where two people try to trade each other at the same time, and get an error -message and a failed trade; 

Where a trade action appears to be successful, but actually fails, and shows no error message;

And where players attempt a trade and are given only an ambiguous loading circle, and no player can receive any champion. This loading circle would often follow players into their next game, and they would have to restart their client to remove it.
 



While we were fixing some of the pain, we included some new features to make the experience a bit better. 

-Greyed out and unclickable Trade buttons when the requester or the recipient doesn’t own either champion.

-New Error Messaging to communicate what is happening. [Not yet in]
1. is busy trading. Try again when their trade is complete.
2. has declined your trade request.
3. canceled the trade.
4. no longer has the champion you wanted. Try again.

-Accurate display of who your friend is playing on the Friends List after they make a trade.

-A trade is canceled when someone rerolls during their trading process, so people aren’t stuck with something they don’t expect.


Please test the hell out of this thing, and send us your feedback on the forums. We’ll be watching and fixing based on your findings.

Thanks for your help, everyone!
RiotBrokenSword
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Comments

  • #129 LolLolLolJake

    Gotta admit, the Olaf rework might turn out better than I had ever expected.

  • #125 D00meriksen
    Stop crying about Katarina already. She's a weak laner and the only assassin that has to channel for her burst. Her 1vs1 is terrible and her only form of contribution is decent AoE damage, that can also be interrupted and has to be performed in melee range.

    Live Katarina has poor scalings and poor base damage. It's so bad, that people stack penetration items right now. TnA is the only one who plays full glass cannon Katarina and even with that he barely does any damage after 35 minutes.

    Katarina murders teams, when she's ahead, but that's what all assassins do. Well except for the fact, that you can simply get a Negatron on your carry and a Locket for your team to shut down Katarina.

    Look at how easy it is to get fed with Talon, Fizz, Kha'Zix and Zed in comparison and try to whine about Katarina again, who does less damage with more kills. I dare you.

    The buff will change nothing for you if you play properly against Katarina and interupt her ultimate. Longer duration = more risk and more damage. It's fair.
  • #134 Pikohchu

    Well... If the ratio is bumped from 2.0 AP to 2.5 and the duration is bumped from 2 seconds to 2.5 seconds, the DPS is like... the same. And 600 to 700 isn't a 25% increase like the AP ratio so it's actually less damage if you interrupt it at the same time. And I'm just gonna assume that the AD ratio isn't helping most people.

  • #122 dnagemo

    Yes let's nerf a champion that barely sees the light of lcs . "Katarina so op wtf riot nerf" some random guy from plastic V.

  • #123 Yusodus

    What? Everything of her ult was buffed, what are you talking about?

  • #127 Gameguy301
    Not everything is good sbout this change it deals 40,30,20 less damage per second, to see any improvement in damage you must spin beyond 2.0 seconds highly unluckily that your target will still be in range or you haven't been interterupted. In the past riot reduced the channel time and lowered the total damage this change was very well received and kats win rate increased, if you do the opposite guess what happens?

    check facts, do math, make comments. If you do step 3 first other have to do 1 and 2 for you. (Hell I already did 1 and 2 for you yesterday all you had to do was read)
    Last edited by Gameguy301: 9/10/2013 11:01:13 AM
  • #130 D00meriksen
    If we are talking about the dps on her ultimate, Katarina is losing 40/30/20 AP at the corresponding ulti levels 1/2/3.
    Last edited by D00meriksen: 9/10/2013 10:26:06 AM
  • #131 Yusodus

    Sorry, I have better things to do that calculate these things. Also, I am assuming that you take 0 Bonus AD and 0 AP, right? When is the breakeven point, especially because Hextech-Gunblade seems like an option again and that it seems easy enough to get the breakeven points while also having a chance for even more damage.

  • #132 D00meriksen
    The dps scaling is exactly the same, so there is no difference there, but the base dps went down. I posted the dps break-even points above. It's a net loss and no amount of ap will bring back the old dps values.

    The total damage of the ultimate, however, is higher at all levels.

    Basically you just have to understand, that for team fights you want dps, while for skirmishes you want total damage. That's because you will get off your full ultimate in skirmishes, but not in team fights.

    That means that Gunblade is worth rushing in a 1vs1 scenario once again. Well, that's what I'm assuming. I didn't do the math yet.
    Last edited by D00meriksen: 9/10/2013 1:00:02 PM
  • #133 D00meriksen
    Okay, now I did the math. All item calculations are based on a Katarina without masteries, runes or other items.

    DFG bursts for a total ap ratio of 4.25 * 1.2 = 5.1 on a single target. The AoE ap ratio is 3.85.
    ST: 612 damage + 15% max health
    AoE: 462 damage

    Gunblade bursts for a total ap ratio of 4.25 + 0.4 = 4.65 and a total ad ratio of 4.35 on a single target. The AoE ap ratio is 3.85. The AoE ad ratio is 4.35.
    ST: 648 damage (active already included)
    AoE: 446 damage

    Rabadon's Deathcap has 156 AP and bursts for a total ap ratio of 4.25 on a single target. The AoE ap ratio is 3.85.
    ST: 663 damage
    AoE: 600.6 damage

    In AoE damage we can conculde, that Deathcap >>> DFG = Hourglass > Gunblade
    For single target damage: DFG >>> Deathcap > Gunblade > Hourglass
  • #135 Gameguy301
    Ok yusodos if you have better thing to do than check if your right or Wrong why bother at all? Clearly you are a very buissy guy i cant think of a bigger waste of time then blotting out statements with no validity. Leave it to the people who care.

    The new higher ratio is balanced out by the new higher duration thus the scaling DPS is the same but the flat is still a 40/30/20 deficit. No the ratio cannot make up for the base DPS loss because it matches the old scaling per second value of 1.0 AP per second.

    TldR for buissy people 0 or 10000AP makes no difference new vs old ultimate will suffer a 40/30/20 DPS penalty. after the first 2 seconds you can begin to make up lost damage and start seeing a benefit but previous iterations of kats ult has shown us these scenarios are few and far between.
    Last edited by Gameguy301: 9/10/2013 4:18:33 PM
  • #136 AlbusTheBrave

    True.
    As a Kata main, these proposed beta chances worry me. It's highly unlikely to ever get a full ultimate off. A net DPS loss translates straight into enemy champions dying slower denying Kata her main function; on-kill resets.

  • #137 Yusodus

    It is "busy" and making statements seems a lot faster than calculating damage. That's why I do it. After all I merely asked, so I don't see any point. And it is more that you offended me, so I offended you because your last part of your response was unnecassary and stupid. But I'm not gonna be the one to say that you were childish.

  • #117 PsyBorG6of9

    Shyvana nerf...wtf... btw who play Shyvana?!? i didnt notice one Shyvana in game in more then 2 months.

    btw ward desing is pure sh... riot take look in dota2 if you want to see how to make nice desinged wards, this is to sad

  • #118 kevnator

    If you read the notes correctly you would've seen the red post directly below the Shyvana changes saying that the changes weren't actually going to go live. Also, I still play shyvanna. I have a 22/9 W/L with her at Gold IV/III/II. I can't wait for buffs to her ult when she can "turn the enemy backline into a pile of corpses." MY winrate will skyrocket with her when those changes go into place.

  • #120 Spura

    Hm what do you build on her/masteries/runes? I have tried several builds and most either lack in damage (i.e. ADCs solo me) or I am totally squishy (i.e. if even one good CC lands on me, I die before killing anything in back line, and if it doesn't I kill one squishy and then die).

  • #116 XJadynX

    Right.. just what Kat needed.. .A buff....

  • #124 Gameguy301
    The DPS on the spin whent down but the total damage whent up, history shows us the katarinas win rate improves when the DPS is high and decreases when the total damage is high, based off all similar changes in The past this will be a nerf.

    TLDR most kats prefer DPS over total damage since its channeled.
    Last edited by Gameguy301: 9/10/2013 8:55:47 AM
  • #115 Maggot_Pie

    Garen's new VO is 100% badass.

  • #111 NeoPhobos

    Seriously, can we get at least SOME of this page behind a "spoiler"-type thing on the main page, so that we don't have to scroll past the entire post just to get to the next article?

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