Let me preface this by saying: The majority of people I play against (at least 1 every game) in normals are 1800+ elo, I dont know if there is a separate unseen matchmaking system or if I'm just extremely unlucky.
I feel like Darius deserves his own topic and question because not only is he a bruiser, hes basically a god at lvl 6 on TT. The new strategy I see being used lately seems to rush teamfight on altar at lvl 6 with darius, for the rest of the game he bush camps to insta kill anyone on your team with true damage. So you get no altar or you get aced until hes strong enough to ace you under turrets with unstoppable ult. It's out of control he does absurd true damage to the whole team and naturally very tanky. To build against him you need high damage (his natural high health), cc (to get as much damage off before he can press q+r and kill you), High health (to survive his true damage ultimate), Magic resist (his passive is insane magic damage). It just takes too much to counter this one champion hes insane absurd and out of control, I feel like this is getting no attention and being severely abused.
TL;DR: Darius literally can solo ace teams with very little skill and almost impossible to kill before he kills all 3 of your team. RIOT STAYS SILENT WHILE I PLAY WITH/AGAINST DARIUS EVERYGAME.
P.S. if you try to out play a darius and say zhonya hourglass his ult during animation it will not take the cooldown on his ult and he can just use after hourglass is over. If you try to dash away during his ult animation and successfully land 20+ft away his ult will trigger the damage and do 35%+ of your hp in true damage. There is no escaping the ult it is unstoppable and can be used 3 times a fight even if he only gets the assist (aka q+r you at 100% his teamate finshes u he does that to your partners).
yes I'm mad. This is unbelievable how impossible he is. Yes cho gath. Yes even high hp armor builds dont stop his insane dot magic damage. Yes my god riot do something.
Eh the Zhonya's thing is expected. It works the same way as Vlad's pool, Elise's jump, or Fizz's hop. Darius rises into the air, but never connects with it, so the cd never gets checked if the hero died or not. It works the same way as Skarner's ult does, there is a windup before the move actually connects, and if you disjoint Skarner's ult it doesn't go on CD either. It seems inconsistent with other spells in the game (i.e. Taric's dazzle or Sion's stun which do go on CD right after cast, not on connection), but those tend to be ranged skills rather than a bit closer like Skarner and Darius. I believe Singed's flip works the same way, the displacement must occur for the CD to start (it has an extremely short windup).
Although I do notice that if you cc Darius during his wind up, it still follows through, akin to Ezreal's and Lux's ult. Not sure if intended or not, although Riot has mentioned that Ez/Lux's ults were meant to function like that.
In regards to the altars, it's not just Darius that is a problem, it's all bruisers. Altars require a champion to be on it for it to be contested, so squishy champions simply cannot do anything about it other than poke away and sadly watch the altar be locked for 90 seconds. Maybe a dominion style counter would be prudent. Champions that stay on the altar start capturing it, damage source stops them for countering for a very short period. This allows ranged champions to actually have some influence over captures and leads to more dynamic altar engages, rather than simply take the beating and scram afterwards.
I also found it confusing that in a map with no wards, a speed shrine was also placed. Yes this makes ganks fast and furious, but it leads to scared play, where you don't venture too far from your tower in fear of being ganked. I agree that wards should be removed in such a small map (requires almost no gold investment to be safe from ganks for both lanes), but a speed shrine tips it over a little. Maybe have the shrine ramp up speed as you stand on it and decrease when you leave it? Or simply have a decaying speed buff when you move off it.
Overall TT feels much better in that jungle isn't reduced to essentially Nunu, Lee, and Shyv (although they are still godly), ganks are easier to come by, and pushing isn't punished by turtling. It's just frustrating that bruisers control most of the action (although being balanced around 5v5 does make it a problem for 3v3s i.e. Olaf only having to deal with 3 sources of incoming damage rather than 5), and altars don't help this issue.
Thanks Nome for your time, I was a fan of Nome's Wisdom back in HoN haha.
We're testing out "stalling" mechanics for 1.72.
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What about Teemo and the fact that it gets out of control with his mushrooms? Smaller map = more mushrooms everywhere. And no way to counter it either.
"Oh, just buy an oracles"
"Yeah, okay. I bought one. Now let me check the edge of this bu-- ****!"
He place it on the edge of the bush, GG. He places it in the most obscure places, gg. He places it everywhere and you die in a team fight from trying to run and not looking at the ground with an oracles on, GG.
Why does Teemo get infinite wards? Nidalee's traps aren't that bad. They don't do that much damage. Neither do Cait's. But Teemos shrooms are stupid op...
Nome, we'd like some insight on this too.
I honestly have not had issues with Teemo on the map. Hextech Sweeper and Grez's Lantern will counter his mushrooms.
No AMA about Darius-out of control
I feel like Darius deserves his own topic and question because not only is he a bruiser, hes basically a god at lvl 6 on TT. The new strategy I see being used lately seems to rush teamfight on altar at lvl 6 with darius, for the rest of the game he bush camps to insta kill anyone on your team with true damage. So you get no altar or you get aced until hes strong enough to ace you under turrets with unstoppable ult. It's out of control he does absurd true damage to the whole team and naturally very tanky. To build against him you need high damage (his natural high health), cc (to get as much damage off before he can press q+r and kill you), High health (to survive his true damage ultimate), Magic resist (his passive is insane magic damage). It just takes too much to counter this one champion hes insane absurd and out of control, I feel like this is getting no attention and being severely abused.
TL;DR: Darius literally can solo ace teams with very little skill and almost impossible to kill before he kills all 3 of your team. RIOT STAYS SILENT WHILE I PLAY WITH/AGAINST DARIUS EVERYGAME.
P.S. if you try to out play a darius and say zhonya hourglass his ult during animation it will not take the cooldown on his ult and he can just use after hourglass is over. If you try to dash away during his ult animation and successfully land 20+ft away his ult will trigger the damage and do 35%+ of your hp in true damage. There is no escaping the ult it is unstoppable and can be used 3 times a fight even if he only gets the assist (aka q+r you at 100% his teamate finshes u he does that to your partners).
yes I'm mad. This is unbelievable how impossible he is. Yes cho gath. Yes even high hp armor builds dont stop his insane dot magic damage. Yes my god riot do something.
The Zhonya's thing is pretty interesting though. I'll ask around about that particular interaction.
Although I do notice that if you cc Darius during his wind up, it still follows through, akin to Ezreal's and Lux's ult. Not sure if intended or not, although Riot has mentioned that Ez/Lux's ults were meant to function like that.
In regards to the altars, it's not just Darius that is a problem, it's all bruisers. Altars require a champion to be on it for it to be contested, so squishy champions simply cannot do anything about it other than poke away and sadly watch the altar be locked for 90 seconds. Maybe a dominion style counter would be prudent. Champions that stay on the altar start capturing it, damage source stops them for countering for a very short period. This allows ranged champions to actually have some influence over captures and leads to more dynamic altar engages, rather than simply take the beating and scram afterwards.
I also found it confusing that in a map with no wards, a speed shrine was also placed. Yes this makes ganks fast and furious, but it leads to scared play, where you don't venture too far from your tower in fear of being ganked. I agree that wards should be removed in such a small map (requires almost no gold investment to be safe from ganks for both lanes), but a speed shrine tips it over a little. Maybe have the shrine ramp up speed as you stand on it and decrease when you leave it? Or simply have a decaying speed buff when you move off it.
Overall TT feels much better in that jungle isn't reduced to essentially Nunu, Lee, and Shyv (although they are still godly), ganks are easier to come by, and pushing isn't punished by turtling. It's just frustrating that bruisers control most of the action (although being balanced around 5v5 does make it a problem for 3v3s i.e. Olaf only having to deal with 3 sources of incoming damage rather than 5), and altars don't help this issue.
Thanks Nome for your time, I was a fan of Nome's Wisdom back in HoN haha.
"Oh, just buy an oracles"
"Yeah, okay. I bought one. Now let me check the edge of this bu-- ****!"
He place it on the edge of the bush, GG. He places it in the most obscure places, gg. He places it everywhere and you die in a team fight from trying to run and not looking at the ground with an oracles on, GG.
Why does Teemo get infinite wards? Nidalee's traps aren't that bad. They don't do that much damage. Neither do Cait's. But Teemos shrooms are stupid op...
Nome, we'd like some insight on this too.