As the title says. I'm getting rater tired of children joining draft pick and spamming what lane they want and assuming that means they must get it. They are quite creative in the bull they try to use as justification for why calling it means they get it. So what if its your best role. It could be others as well. Players need to accept that when you get one of the last picks you may not get the lane you preffer. They need to hear that from Riot seen as they refuse to accept it from anyone else.
It's in your TOS/Summoner Code that the later picks need to fill in for the team.
That's your official stance.
Our official stance is don't be a jerk. The Summoner's code reference here says
- Be open minded when considering the needs of your team
- If you're the last one to pick, try to fill a niche
- If everyone's picked and something stands out as a deficiency, try asking another players to fill a game *OR* embrace that responsibility yourself
It says neither
- "The person who calls a role first gets that role" nor
- "The person who is first in the pick order gets to play whatever they want, regardless of what the team says"
Being not a jerk is not as simple as black and white rules...
Report whatever you feel you should report. We can't create a comprehensive guideline of what is or is not reportable, it's way too subjective. In some games use of bad language is a problem, in some it isn't. Maybe you're playing a premade 5s with friends and you guys love to bash each other - that's fine if you're all OK with it, but maybe it's not with a group of 4 and a random 5th. The social scenarios are too complex.
I don't think it's possible for us to have an official stance. I think there's a grey line here where sometimes it's fine and sometimes it isn't fine.
Be socially aware, try to be flexible, communicate both ways, etc.
Because both sides have a completely acceptable argument and in different situations you could say that either approach is better. No matter which side you're on though - don't be a jerk.
you do realize having an actual rule for this would decrease the amount of jerky behavior right?
Or it will give certain people a means to justify their jerky behavior. It's also not possible for us to make everyone aware of any social "rule" that we create meaning that people who know about the rule will follow it, but the vast majority of players who we won't reach with most of our communication won't even know that there's a rule they're violating.
For me personally though, I just don't think either side is right. I think both have an incredible amount of merit
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TL;DR - How can you take a game seriously, when there's no rules to stop people from ruining the game for others?
There is a rule. The rule is don't be a jerk. You have to ask yourself if you're being "that guy".
For me - when I hop into a ranked solo game I'll let people know what I prefer (mid/top/jungle) - then I'll adapt to the situation
- If someone calls them all, I'll ask if those people could take one of the other roles (whether they're higher or lower than me in the pick order)
- If nobody will switch with me, I'll play something I'm not as good (but let the team know I'm not as strong in that role)
I almost always get one of my preferred roles doing that - and if I don't, I still normally do "okay" in one of the other spots. If I do poorly and get flamed, (which definitely happens), I'll apologize and move onto the next game. Sometimes I get what I ask for and still do poorly though. People have bad games.
Oh - and my personal preference (I am not stating this as a rule!) is to lean towards whoever is higher in the pick order getting their role, but not at the cost of someone else on the team being viable. ie - if the first pick can mid or support, but prefers mid, and the last pick prefers mid and can't support at all, I'd kind of rather have the last pick play mid and the first pick support.
So Pendragon, if the problem is people being jerks, could it be solved by adding a report function in pre-game lobby? Do you think this would be a good feature to implement?
The question I'd ask is - are the people who are being jerks in the pre-game lobby ending up in the Tribunal anyway or reformed/suspended through one of other tools or activities (like insanely high report rates). If they're not being caught through those methods, then we need to prioritize getting that information into the Tribunal. If they ARE being caught, then we don't.
I don't have the hard data offhand, but it's something that we look at.
I don't really like what you said there. It seems the tribunal punishes before actually reviewing the punished. IMO Riot should be the last viewer before being punished. If someone gets reported because they took a role that someone called before them regardless of the circumstances and being banned for that. That's pretty ridiculous.
Again - it's 100% impossible for us to get people to report for the the same list of things, and never for other things. Trying to create that level of consistency in what people report for is a fantasy.
We should just accept that what people consider reportable will vary - and as such the process should be flexible to account for that variability.
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If we are talking ranked solo q.
Then if you can't support with an acceptable support champion, gtfo of ranked.
Normal games are where solo q players can try different and new things.
I'm really a bad support. I'll do it if I absolutely have to, but don't enjoy it and don't feel like I'm good at it. I think I ended up supporting 1 ranked solo games in all of Season 2 (around ~1550) and won it as Janna. If you asked me, I'd probably say I "can't" support.
Correlation is not causation. Many people know how the system works and abuse pregame chat with spam, racial slurs, harassment, but then are completely silent throughout a game.
Yeah - but if those guys eventually get permanned for OTHER stuff, I'm fine with that too. I think if there's a high correlation, then causation isn't relevant. It's not about justice, it's about effectiveness.
I would like RIOT to make a official stance on lane calling
Be socially aware, try to be flexible, communicate both ways, etc.
That's your official stance.
- Be open minded when considering the needs of your team
- If you're the last one to pick, try to fill a niche
- If everyone's picked and something stands out as a deficiency, try asking another players to fill a game *OR* embrace that responsibility yourself
It says neither
- "The person who calls a role first gets that role" nor
- "The person who is first in the pick order gets to play whatever they want, regardless of what the team says"
Being not a jerk is not as simple as black and white rules...
Be socially aware, try to be flexible, communicate both ways, etc.
For me personally though, I just don't think either side is right. I think both have an incredible amount of merit
For me - when I hop into a ranked solo game I'll let people know what I prefer (mid/top/jungle) - then I'll adapt to the situation
- If someone calls them all, I'll ask if those people could take one of the other roles (whether they're higher or lower than me in the pick order)
- If nobody will switch with me, I'll play something I'm not as good (but let the team know I'm not as strong in that role)
I almost always get one of my preferred roles doing that - and if I don't, I still normally do "okay" in one of the other spots. If I do poorly and get flamed, (which definitely happens), I'll apologize and move onto the next game. Sometimes I get what I ask for and still do poorly though. People have bad games.
I don't have the hard data offhand, but it's something that we look at.
We should just accept that what people consider reportable will vary - and as such the process should be flexible to account for that variability.
Then if you can't support with an acceptable support champion, gtfo of ranked.
Normal games are where solo q players can try different and new things.