Finally see a Red post on...

  • The cooldowns of Demacian Justice and Noxian Guillotine. The Red compares Garen/Darius ults to Karthus/Jayce ults...

    HOW. DOES. THAT. LOGIC. EVEN. MAKE. SENSE.
  • Nope. Red is saying that comparing 2 abilities in a vacuum is a wasted exercise. Compare the champions and kits as a whole if you want to have a useful and meaningful discussion. I was using a hyperbolic example to point that out. I am very glad that you thought the comparison made no sense. Comparing Garen's and Darius's ults in a vacuum without any consideration to the rest of the kit and saying 1 is better than the other is not a useful topic. When I saw that the majority of the people in that thread were discussing good points of entire kits, I stopped paying attention to the thread because my goal was complete (to facilitate good discussion).
  • Quote:
    Originally Posted by jars View Post
    but you gave the reason for nerfing garen's ult

    AND IT'S THE EXACT SAME THING DARIUS ULT DOES
    You're thinking of another guy. I don't give the reasons for design changes because it's not my area. I was posting in that thread to help facilitate meaningful discussion.
  • Quote:
    Originally Posted by Bookibaloush View Post
    Some rioters doesnt know balance it seems. Anyway they grown way too fast and do mistakes over mistakes since darius release.
    I would like to correct a minor point. MANY Rioters don't know balance. Those Rioters (myself included) don't work on balance.
  • Quote:
    Originally Posted by v MordekaiseR v View Post
    Do you REALLY NEED an explanation why Garen needs buffs?
    I don't work on balance, so I'm not the right audience for your reasons. I am just trying to help people talk about the right stuff when as a community you discuss balance.
  • Quote:
    Originally Posted by Primanocte View Post
    Do you even play Garen?
    Nope. I'm not saying Garen or Darius does or doesn't need buffs. I'm only saying if you want to compare them, compare them completely, not just 1 ability. Look at their stats, ratios, passives, abilities, stat increases, move speed, utility, etc.
  • Quote:
    Originally Posted by Stark Midnight View Post
    Guess you too busy explaining why Darius ult isn't OP lol.
    I'm not explaining anything about the power of Darius's ult.
  • Quote:
    Originally Posted by Hostile Miku View Post
    when people think champions are underpowered/overpowered

    Something magical happens, people compare them to the closest champion they relate to

    Since Darius is basically Garen 2.0, people tend to make the connection
    I think it's totally fine to compare him to Garen. I just don't think it's fair to compare only his ult to only Garen's ult.
  • Quote:
    Originally Posted by Stark Midnight View Post
    I'm talking about all the reds in general, unless you guys are blind they tend to post in threads where the answer is easy like in this one

    The obvious answer is that you can't just compare two champions skills without taking everything else in consideration, but they tend to avoid any relevant issue to the community.
    To be fair... this thread was directed at me.