So when anyone brings up Riot's almost criminal negligence of Trundle and Karma.. it always boils down to "well they arent popular, so Riot ignores them".
But that is bull****...absolute bull****. Aside from the fact that Riot is an incredibly successful company that can EASILY afford to give ALL of their champions attention.. it simply ISNT TRUE that Riot ignores unpopular champs.
According to Lolmatches.com, Karma is the 4th least played champion, and Trundle is the 6th least played.
Guess who is played less then either of them?
Galio - 3rd least played champ. 4 skins including a LEGENDARY
Xerath - 2nd least played champ. 3 skins
Poppy - 5th least played champ. 5 skins
Also.. statistically Trundle is only played in 2.25% of matches. That puts Cassiopeia, Rumble, Yorick, Ziggs, Sion, Syndra, Heimer, Zilean, and Sejuani within 1% of him in popularity, and within 2% of Karma.
So when you REALLY think about it, the popularity of Trundle and Karma may have a hand in making skins/reworks for them LESS common.. but there is NO EXCUSE for them being neglected for this long.
Furthermore... as one of many many players who have spent too much money on this game, I find Riot's close lipped stance on this issue to be insulting. There once was a time where I was a huge Riot supporter, and this issue alone..and Riots total lack of communication on it.. has made me change my opinion on Riot as a company. I no longer consider them to be a great game developer. No company which purports to be "all about their fans" can ignore an issue that is this important to a chunk of their playerbase and expect those same fans to keep on believing that they have their best interests at heart.
Trundle and Karma may be just a small piece of the LoL community, but when you are talking about a group consisting of millions of players.. even 2.25% is still thousands of people.
Riot... change your policy on Trundle and Karma. If you dont have something IMMEDIATE coming down the tubes (i.e. before next year).. then at the very least you need to QUIT BEING SILENT on the issue and start giving us some real information. We have been waiting 2 years!
*EDIT* WOO MY THREAD IS AWESOME! Thanks for the replies Grumpy Monkey and Iron Stylus. Its great to hear that my champs arent being ignored and that new stuff is coming down the pipeline. Cant wait to see the reworks. Im especially stoked about Iron Stylus doing the trundle redesign... and that one of the goals is to make him seem more like a badass. Thanks guys. Faith renewed.
Gonna Debunk some of these myths. Trundle and Karma are both being worked on for a visual upgrade.
I want Trundle (and his skins) to be something more than what they are. As for skill reworks, I am not sure, a designer would be more apt to shed light on that one.
Do you guys believe ugly can be beautiful? Because I do. Sometimes I will look at a toad or a rhino, or a gorilla and just think it's the coolest. However I have never seen an image of a gaping wound or a disease that I found appealing. These are the thoughts I have when thinking about Trundle.
So I feel like I need to clarify a bit here as GD likes to speculate and go off sometimes. (Speculating and going off is fun btw).
So I am not just trying to figure out what Trundle looks like, I am trying to figure out what Trolls in Runterra look like. Trundle was and is the only Troll we have, and to be honest, I am not a fan of his anatomy as a Troll. He feels almost like a Goblin in my opinion. I would like him to feel a bit more powerful. I acknowledge that many of you like the "Gross" factor. I like it too. I like that He slobbers, I like that he's sort of the "Pig Pen" (peanuts reference anyone?) of the League Roster. I want you to know that Relaunch team is not going to take away your Gross Leprosy Troll with the Poop tower. But I also want you to know I am trying to make Gross Leprosy Troll Poop tower look like he can go toe to toe visually with the likes of the newer champs. I also want you to know that he does need some art love, some particle love and some animation love, and by jove, he's gonna get it! I want to keep the things that are endearing about him intact, and build upon those themes. You guys are awesome. And I really do appreciate your passion and candor.
That's all fine and dandy. But I'm going to point you over to Karma and the innate fear this place has that she is going to be "white-washed" cause nobody wants to sit in the nightmare that will be this forum if her skin gets any lighter.
I want to stop you right there. Don't be scared. Karma is beautiful Woman of Color, and I will fight (politely in meetings) to keep it so.
Myths about Trundle/Karma hate
But that is bull****...absolute bull****. Aside from the fact that Riot is an incredibly successful company that can EASILY afford to give ALL of their champions attention.. it simply ISNT TRUE that Riot ignores unpopular champs.
According to Lolmatches.com, Karma is the 4th least played champion, and Trundle is the 6th least played.
Guess who is played less then either of them?
Galio - 3rd least played champ. 4 skins including a LEGENDARY
Xerath - 2nd least played champ. 3 skins
Poppy - 5th least played champ. 5 skins
Also.. statistically Trundle is only played in 2.25% of matches. That puts Cassiopeia, Rumble, Yorick, Ziggs, Sion, Syndra, Heimer, Zilean, and Sejuani within 1% of him in popularity, and within 2% of Karma.
So when you REALLY think about it, the popularity of Trundle and Karma may have a hand in making skins/reworks for them LESS common.. but there is NO EXCUSE for them being neglected for this long.
Furthermore... as one of many many players who have spent too much money on this game, I find Riot's close lipped stance on this issue to be insulting. There once was a time where I was a huge Riot supporter, and this issue alone..and Riots total lack of communication on it.. has made me change my opinion on Riot as a company. I no longer consider them to be a great game developer. No company which purports to be "all about their fans" can ignore an issue that is this important to a chunk of their playerbase and expect those same fans to keep on believing that they have their best interests at heart.
Trundle and Karma may be just a small piece of the LoL community, but when you are talking about a group consisting of millions of players.. even 2.25% is still thousands of people.
Riot... change your policy on Trundle and Karma. If you dont have something IMMEDIATE coming down the tubes (i.e. before next year).. then at the very least you need to QUIT BEING SILENT on the issue and start giving us some real information. We have been waiting 2 years!
*EDIT* WOO MY THREAD IS AWESOME! Thanks for the replies Grumpy Monkey and Iron Stylus. Its great to hear that my champs arent being ignored and that new stuff is coming down the pipeline. Cant wait to see the reworks. Im especially stoked about Iron Stylus doing the trundle redesign... and that one of the goals is to make him seem more like a badass. Thanks guys. Faith renewed.
I want Trundle (and his skins) to be something more than what they are. As for skill reworks, I am not sure, a designer would be more apt to shed light on that one.
#1 reason I don't play him.
Give him a cool skin or 3 and I'll play him.
Putting forth the idea again: Dullahan Trundle.
I'm also here to debunk. With Grumpy Monkey's inspiration and initial drawings I did Trundle's new concept.
*Drops the mic. Walks off the stage.*
So I am not just trying to figure out what Trundle looks like, I am trying to figure out what Trolls in Runterra look like. Trundle was and is the only Troll we have, and to be honest, I am not a fan of his anatomy as a Troll. He feels almost like a Goblin in my opinion. I would like him to feel a bit more powerful. I acknowledge that many of you like the "Gross" factor. I like it too. I like that He slobbers, I like that he's sort of the "Pig Pen" (peanuts reference anyone?) of the League Roster. I want you to know that Relaunch team is not going to take away your Gross Leprosy Troll with the Poop tower. But I also want you to know I am trying to make Gross Leprosy Troll Poop tower look like he can go toe to toe visually with the likes of the newer champs. I also want you to know that he does need some art love, some particle love and some animation love, and by jove, he's gonna get it! I want to keep the things that are endearing about him intact, and build upon those themes. You guys are awesome. And I really do appreciate your passion and candor.