Want to stop all the complaining on the forums in regards to the topic?
Then here is a challenge to a few of you:
Have your Elo set back to 850-900 and stream your 'Journey' back to the top.
Prove once and for all that luck* has no bearing on climbing the Solo queue ladder in today's community/player-base.
*Luck as in team-mates you get grouped with.
**Being a 'test' it should be controlled. That is why 3 or so Pros/Devs should do it. That way we could clearly see that if all are able to climb, then there is indeed a level of skill that can surpass the pure bad luck some encounter daily.
Want to stop all the complaining on the forums in regards to the topic?
Then here is a challenge to a few of you:
Have your Elo set back to 850-900 and stream your 'Journey' back to the top.
Prove once and for all that luck* has no bearing on climbing the Solo queue ladder in today's community/player-base.
*Luck as in team-mates you get grouped with.
**Being a 'test' it should be controlled. That is why 3 or so Pros/Devs should do it. That way we could clearly see that if all are able to climb, then there is indeed a level of skill that can surpass the pure bad luck some encounter daily.
Numerous pros and forum goers have done exactly this, multiple times.
ELO Hell is just the League of Legends' term for plausible deniability. You can't win every game, but you could play better every game.
I think there are a lot of people who are like me, spent the last 3 years doing everything they can to get to diamond and they still can't get out of the 1300 elo bracket. I don't really feel like there's enough accurate information about the game available. I've seen pros admit they make up guides and such just for the ad revenue and don't really care. A lot of them simply troll on their stream and don't even try to help people get better.
It's extremely frustrating when you legitamently try everything in your power to get better at the game and you don't move an inch.
Trying to improve is a good start. The question is are you actually improving?
People like to talk about things like "build order, reacting to opponent, coordination, map awareness, cs (like that's easy), etc. etc. etc." As if if you practiced hard enough, anyone can become a concert pianist.
Sure, you can't become a concert pianist without some intrinsic level of natural aptitude. Similarly I'll never be Froggen or Toyz. It's just not in my blood.
But I will say that I was stuck at about 1k for a long while until I started warding more, controlling my aggression better, and CSing harder. From games like.. 60 to about 100 I was probably stuck in the weeds and only recently I hammered up to about 1.2k due to the above factors.
I don't think the continual process of improvement can be fairly compared to becoming a true expert, but with the right investment of time and effort people can and will become better.
Anything beyond that sort of vaguey, 'you can do it' sentiment quickly turns into discussions of design and player skill and stuff so it's a bit beyond my ability to discuss it in depth.
That's extremely disapointing that you are telling the community that elo is decided by nothing more than mechanics. Anyone who has ever played this game knows that just because you have 260 cs at 20 mins and didn't die to ganks because you warded and watched the minimap doesn't mean anything if you completely ignored your team to do so. Obtaining more powerful items faster than your opponent will definitely make you more effective than them, but that doesn't meany anything when compared to things like map control and positioning.
I've recently been winning games by maintaining a 60cs average and doing nothing but roaming. It's absolutely insane how many people completely ignore the minimap or make absolutely obvious decisions that any assassin can take advantage of, but to say that these things aren't what makes you raise elo, I don't understand how you can justify that...
I'll dip my toes back into this conversation just to clarify this point, because I don't want people to misinterpret what I said.
Mechanics are a part of that nebulous, wibbly wobbly thing we call "skill". There's a huge cloud of things that make up player skill, and for me the most low-hanging fruit were simple mechanics improvements. Making sure I had more vision and more gold than my opponents has, thus far, put me in a position to capitalize on their mistakes and minimize my own.
That's not to say that things like positioning aren't important; on the contrary, they seem to be the most crucial thing in the game when you're looking at a match on the whole. Part of the reason teams like M5 and TPA and Fnatic are feared is because they position and coordinate so effectively! But I'm not at that level, and as an individual player, I'm still working on basic things like "Make sure I get as much CS" in my perpetual quest to develop my skills.
There's no right or wrong way to get better; all you can do is practice. For some people it's mechanics, for others it's more abstract concepts.
Challenge to a few Pro Player/Devs..
Want to stop all the complaining on the forums in regards to the topic?
Then here is a challenge to a few of you:
Have your Elo set back to 850-900 and stream your 'Journey' back to the top.
Prove once and for all that luck* has no bearing on climbing the Solo queue ladder in today's community/player-base.
*Luck as in team-mates you get grouped with.
**Being a 'test' it should be controlled. That is why 3 or so Pros/Devs should do it. That way we could clearly see that if all are able to climb, then there is indeed a level of skill that can surpass the pure bad luck some encounter daily.
Want to stop all the complaining on the forums in regards to the topic?
Then here is a challenge to a few of you:
Have your Elo set back to 850-900 and stream your 'Journey' back to the top.
Prove once and for all that luck* has no bearing on climbing the Solo queue ladder in today's community/player-base.
*Luck as in team-mates you get grouped with.
**Being a 'test' it should be controlled. That is why 3 or so Pros/Devs should do it. That way we could clearly see that if all are able to climb, then there is indeed a level of skill that can surpass the pure bad luck some encounter daily.
ELO Hell is just the League of Legends' term for plausible deniability. You can't win every game, but you could play better every game.
Edit: I'd also like to say I'm probably near the top of my skill range and someone who's genuinely good at this game would probably rise much faster.
Only solo queue by yourself, with no help.
It's extremely frustrating when you legitamently try everything in your power to get better at the game and you don't move an inch.
But I will say that I was stuck at about 1k for a long while until I started warding more, controlling my aggression better, and CSing harder. From games like.. 60 to about 100 I was probably stuck in the weeds and only recently I hammered up to about 1.2k due to the above factors.
I don't think the continual process of improvement can be fairly compared to becoming a true expert, but with the right investment of time and effort people can and will become better.
Anything beyond that sort of vaguey, 'you can do it' sentiment quickly turns into discussions of design and player skill and stuff so it's a bit beyond my ability to discuss it in depth.
I've recently been winning games by maintaining a 60cs average and doing nothing but roaming. It's absolutely insane how many people completely ignore the minimap or make absolutely obvious decisions that any assassin can take advantage of, but to say that these things aren't what makes you raise elo, I don't understand how you can justify that...
Mechanics are a part of that nebulous, wibbly wobbly thing we call "skill". There's a huge cloud of things that make up player skill, and for me the most low-hanging fruit were simple mechanics improvements. Making sure I had more vision and more gold than my opponents has, thus far, put me in a position to capitalize on their mistakes and minimize my own.
That's not to say that things like positioning aren't important; on the contrary, they seem to be the most crucial thing in the game when you're looking at a match on the whole. Part of the reason teams like M5 and TPA and Fnatic are feared is because they position and coordinate so effectively! But I'm not at that level, and as an individual player, I'm still working on basic things like "Make sure I get as much CS" in my perpetual quest to develop my skills.
There's no right or wrong way to get better; all you can do is practice. For some people it's mechanics, for others it's more abstract concepts.