Lately Riot has been sticking most of their new champions in the jungle (Vi, Elise, Zed) but none of them are really made for the jungle. I think the last champion that was actually made to go into the jungle and not a lane was Skarner; and since him, every "jungler" Riot has released has been simply tossed into top or mid lane because they are more useful there (Rengar, Diana, Kha'zix). Is Riot just missing the mark on trying to make a viable jungler or are they simply trying to give junglers more options?
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#7 1/1/2013 1:54:08 PMHecarim, Nautilus, Sejuani, Shyvana all belie your statement.
As to making champions "for the jungle", I am not sure why a designer would even accept that as a goal. Champions that can function in multiple game roles are healthier champions, since more people can access them and explore their abilities in a variety of contexts.
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#20 12/30/2012 9:35:50 AMQuote:You say this. But what about champions like Lulu/Soraka? They were able to function in solo lanes, yet they were purposely nerfed for those reasons. Lulu especially.
It's unfortunate that these two champions have kits which make balancing them as solo laners a real challenge. However, when AP Lulu and Soraka can lane effectively, they pretty much ruin the experience of whoever they are fighting.
#31 12/30/2012 9:48:04 AMQuote:I would say Akali, but she's a viable midlane, so I won't.
Garen is the first champion that comes to mind as a top that can't viably jungle.
Renekton is another.
As to the jungle specifically, Garen's recent mini re-work made it an explicit goal to give him jungle viability. Renekton, I hear you on, he's not incapable of jungling, but the fury system is inherently difficult to make work when ganking.
Regardless, I don't think it was ever a goal of these champions' designers to exclude them from other game roles. In fact, when Garen was made, there wasn't even a "top lane" as we now think of it.
#42 12/30/2012 10:10:26 AMQuote:I think the question is, what attributes does a champion need to have to be given the jungler tag.
like the difference between hecarim and malphite where hecarim has the jungler tag and malpgite doesn't.
Good question. My understanding is that our tagging system is designed to guide newer players. Champions receive a "Jungler" tag so that if you want to try them, but have no idea what they do, you can get an idea of where they work, and what runes/masteries to use, by looking at the tag. Additionally, if a newer player wants to jungle, they can look for champions with the Jungler tag and enter the game confident that they won't die to wolves.
So while AD Malzahar may be a viable jungler, we would never give him that tag, because it takes a fairly sophisticated level 30 player to pull it off.
As to Malphite specifically, I think he would be a fine champion for a newer player to pick up. That is possibly just an oversight.
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