Edit 1 To all the people that think this ban is ok: You're the reason I've /ignored all in 90% off my games since season one.
I still communicate with pings.
As a Rioter that approves suspensions that come our way I'll take ownership for this. And I stand by my decision.
Brownshoe, your case came to us and was confusing at first. I had to ask myself, if this guy is simply playing poorly, then why is he awaiting a guilty verdict?
Well, unfortunately you fall in the minority of Tribunal cases where it's not immediately clear what's going on. But I love mysteries like this so I dug a little deeper.
Please don't for a second think you got suspended for "playing poorly". If you're honest with yourself and you truly want to avoid suspensions in the future, then clinging to the "it's not me it's them mentality" is not going to help you.
We've said it before, and I'll say it again: You do not end up in the tribunal for just a few games. It's only after consistently observed toxic behavior that you're considered for a tribunal case.
With 100% sincerity, if you truely played poorly in only these 5 games then you never would have made it to the Tribunal at all. But that's not what happened here, is it?
The truth is, you have a temper. And your temper affects the way you play. If you think you're being "trolled", then damn the consequences you're going to make that "troll" pay. Usually by just giving up. Sure, you still CS, maybe get the occasional kill when you have the opportunity. But that's just because you happened to be in the right place at the right time. Otherwise you're just wandering randomly throughout the map. Killing Jungle Creeps, pushing lanes blindly. One thing's pretty clear in these games. If you're team is in one place, you're in another.
Games like this are notoriously hard to determine in the Tribunal. They really do blend the line between playing poorly and playing to troll. That's why I had to go further into your report history. I had to read additional chat logs from games you were reported in. In some of them, you admit you were trolling. In others, you just rage quit from a bad game.
It's behaviors like these which bubbled you up to the Tribunal. And because they were so consistent (you were reported in 22% of the games you play!) you eventually ended up with this tribunal case, and the suspension you have.
So in all honesty, if you're looking for help you're going to have to turn to yourself. You need to change your attitude in game. Stop giving up on your teammates. Stop rage quitting. And most importantly stop ruining the game for everyone else just because you think you encountered a "troll". Even if that one dude is trolling you're merely encouraging him by acting the way you do. Besides that, you end up ruining the game for the 8 other people in your match.
Your suspension was only three days. All things considered, it's not that bad. But it does give you ample opportunity to think about your own playstyle and how it's affecting others. Hopefully you can think it out and make some adjustments to avoid the Tribunal forever.
How do you justify people punishing with such a massive lack of evidence?
whle im glad something was done i am upset you had to "dig further" because there is obviously not enough information available from the tribunal alone to see he is trolling.
If he deserved the ban you should have been able to tell simply from the information we had available to us.
Are there any plans for the future that will allow us to make more accurate judgments in the tribunal? or do we have to rely on punish spammers who just happened to get lucky this time.
Krimson62, I think your concerns are valid, and I appreciate that you brought them up.
I am of the opinion that the Tribunal does a great job bubbling up toxic players to the surface. This is largely thanks to a lot of work which goes behind the scenes and is hidden from players. Things like factoring in the rate of reports one gets, who made the reports, what those reports were for, past tribunal actions etc etc.
The downside though, is that sometimes you get a case which can be hard to judge. And when a guilty judgement is made, it can be confusing as to why.
This is one of those minority of cases. You did nothing wrong by pardoning it. You read the case and judged accordingly to your beliefs. This is why we have the Tribunal.
You were not the majority in this case. However, the actual tally was really close. Regardless of what you believe, I don't think this case is a clear cut pardon. It's a possible pardon, yes. But when you read the logs you can see how his team is reacting to how he plays, and what he does. To some degree it re-affirms the possibility that something else might be going on. That's why I don't believe that people who voted guilty are at fault either. This is one of those rare tough cases that comes up every now and then where people are bound to disagree with each other.
That's why it was sent to us for review. At Riot we like to focus on cases like these which need a closer look before they can be judged guilty. That's why I took a look at it myself before the punishment was processed. And to be fair to the accused, I spent additional time looking into this player to see why he was even in the Tribunal in the first place.
When I can see how toxic he is in other games, I'm left with the question. Should I pardon this even though I know he has a toxic streak? Should I let him back in to the game to potentially ruin others because this tribunal case could go either way?
I disagree that I should pardon such cases. I pardon those that are truly innocent. Those players that are not toxic at all. If you're in the game, getting reported 22% of the games you play because you rage and ruin the match for others then we need to remove you and let you know to watch your behavior.
I think there is always room to improve the Tribunal. Some ways we can do that is by highlighting how the system works, how it tracks toxic players, etc etc.
But unfortunately we'll only get so much benefit from that. As this forum is evidence of, guilty players rarely like to admit they're actually guilty. Quite frankly, I've talked to players who were banned for blatant violations and they will argue to their grave that they didn't do anything wrong.
Ultimately ownership falls on the player to change their behaviors to avoid future suspensions. And that ownership begins with them being realistic about their own behavior in game, rather than running to the forums and trying to claim they didn't do anything wrong.
Play poorly get banned.
http://na.leagueoflegends.com/tribun.../6123685/#nogo
Edit 1 To all the people that think this ban is ok: You're the reason I've /ignored all in 90% off my games since season one.
I still communicate with pings.
Brownshoe, your case came to us and was confusing at first. I had to ask myself, if this guy is simply playing poorly, then why is he awaiting a guilty verdict?
Well, unfortunately you fall in the minority of Tribunal cases where it's not immediately clear what's going on. But I love mysteries like this so I dug a little deeper.
Please don't for a second think you got suspended for "playing poorly". If you're honest with yourself and you truly want to avoid suspensions in the future, then clinging to the "it's not me it's them mentality" is not going to help you.
We've said it before, and I'll say it again: You do not end up in the tribunal for just a few games. It's only after consistently observed toxic behavior that you're considered for a tribunal case.
With 100% sincerity, if you truely played poorly in only these 5 games then you never would have made it to the Tribunal at all. But that's not what happened here, is it?
The truth is, you have a temper. And your temper affects the way you play. If you think you're being "trolled", then damn the consequences you're going to make that "troll" pay. Usually by just giving up. Sure, you still CS, maybe get the occasional kill when you have the opportunity. But that's just because you happened to be in the right place at the right time. Otherwise you're just wandering randomly throughout the map. Killing Jungle Creeps, pushing lanes blindly. One thing's pretty clear in these games. If you're team is in one place, you're in another.
Games like this are notoriously hard to determine in the Tribunal. They really do blend the line between playing poorly and playing to troll. That's why I had to go further into your report history. I had to read additional chat logs from games you were reported in. In some of them, you admit you were trolling. In others, you just rage quit from a bad game.
It's behaviors like these which bubbled you up to the Tribunal. And because they were so consistent (you were reported in 22% of the games you play!) you eventually ended up with this tribunal case, and the suspension you have.
So in all honesty, if you're looking for help you're going to have to turn to yourself. You need to change your attitude in game. Stop giving up on your teammates. Stop rage quitting. And most importantly stop ruining the game for everyone else just because you think you encountered a "troll". Even if that one dude is trolling you're merely encouraging him by acting the way you do. Besides that, you end up ruining the game for the 8 other people in your match.
Your suspension was only three days. All things considered, it's not that bad. But it does give you ample opportunity to think about your own playstyle and how it's affecting others. Hopefully you can think it out and make some adjustments to avoid the Tribunal forever.
How do you justify people punishing with such a massive lack of evidence?
whle im glad something was done i am upset you had to "dig further" because there is obviously not enough information available from the tribunal alone to see he is trolling.
If he deserved the ban you should have been able to tell simply from the information we had available to us.
Are there any plans for the future that will allow us to make more accurate judgments in the tribunal? or do we have to rely on punish spammers who just happened to get lucky this time.
Krimson62, I think your concerns are valid, and I appreciate that you brought them up.
I am of the opinion that the Tribunal does a great job bubbling up toxic players to the surface. This is largely thanks to a lot of work which goes behind the scenes and is hidden from players. Things like factoring in the rate of reports one gets, who made the reports, what those reports were for, past tribunal actions etc etc.
The downside though, is that sometimes you get a case which can be hard to judge. And when a guilty judgement is made, it can be confusing as to why.
This is one of those minority of cases. You did nothing wrong by pardoning it. You read the case and judged accordingly to your beliefs. This is why we have the Tribunal.
You were not the majority in this case. However, the actual tally was really close. Regardless of what you believe, I don't think this case is a clear cut pardon. It's a possible pardon, yes. But when you read the logs you can see how his team is reacting to how he plays, and what he does. To some degree it re-affirms the possibility that something else might be going on. That's why I don't believe that people who voted guilty are at fault either. This is one of those rare tough cases that comes up every now and then where people are bound to disagree with each other.
That's why it was sent to us for review. At Riot we like to focus on cases like these which need a closer look before they can be judged guilty. That's why I took a look at it myself before the punishment was processed. And to be fair to the accused, I spent additional time looking into this player to see why he was even in the Tribunal in the first place.
When I can see how toxic he is in other games, I'm left with the question. Should I pardon this even though I know he has a toxic streak? Should I let him back in to the game to potentially ruin others because this tribunal case could go either way?
I disagree that I should pardon such cases. I pardon those that are truly innocent. Those players that are not toxic at all. If you're in the game, getting reported 22% of the games you play because you rage and ruin the match for others then we need to remove you and let you know to watch your behavior.
I think there is always room to improve the Tribunal. Some ways we can do that is by highlighting how the system works, how it tracks toxic players, etc etc.
But unfortunately we'll only get so much benefit from that. As this forum is evidence of, guilty players rarely like to admit they're actually guilty. Quite frankly, I've talked to players who were banned for blatant violations and they will argue to their grave that they didn't do anything wrong.
Ultimately ownership falls on the player to change their behaviors to avoid future suspensions. And that ownership begins with them being realistic about their own behavior in game, rather than running to the forums and trying to claim they didn't do anything wrong.