AP Tier List - Updated May 1st

So what I've done here is put them back into a traditional tier list with 4 tiers. You can reference the other tier list for placement moves as you'll be able to compare champion placements and below I'll explain why I moved them.

Bolded and Italic champions in the tier lists are the ones that have been moved

AP Carries:

Tier 1: Cassiopeia, Ryze, Morgana, Ahri, Lulu, Vladimir, Anivia, Kennen, Karthus, Galio,

Tier 2: Twisted Fate, Zilean, Veigar, Gragas, Rumble, Annie, Viktor, Sion, Mordekaiser,

Tier 3: Swain, LeBlanc, Xerath, Fizz, Orianna, Kog'Maw, Kassadin, Lux, Ziggs,

Tier 4: Brand, Malzahar, Katarina, Akali, Heimerdinger,

Changes:

Lulu moved up in tier 1: Now I know you guys don't agree with this but even with the changes to Lulu I still feel she's incredibly powerful as a top lane solo, a mid lane, a support, and can even be played viably in the jungle. The champion is so incredibly versatile that she can literally play every role in the game successfully. Her CC is high, her damage is high, her ability to support is amazing, her ability to survive is incredibly. She excels at everything and despite the little nerfs I feel she's still a powerhouse that's being underestimated by a lot of people. This is my personal opinion of course but it's just how I feel about Lulu.

Ahri moved up in tier 1: Ahri is definitely a powerhouse that I had sitting a little bit too low. She doesn't have a low point during the game. Her strength continues through-out the game and she even scales quite well into late game.

Anivia moved up in tier 1: I moved our ice chicken up a little bit as I believe I was underestimating her power before. After watching some EU teams use her in streams and such it's apparent that she's a very powerful AP carry and I had her sitting a bit too low is all.

Rumble moved down to tier 2: I still think Rumble is a very strong champion but when comparing him to the others in tier 1 I just don't see him competing with them. You guys were right and I had him too high. Moved him down to tier 2 where he's a little bit more comfortable.

Galio moved down in tier 1: Still think he's great. Still think he's tier 1 worthy. Just felt that others can come before him in a competitive AP tier list.

Leblanc moved down to tier 3: Tier 2 was a bit too high for this girl. When I actually broke the tier list back into real tiers and I was a bit shocked that she was the top of tier 2. Her burst is great and her survivability is one of the highest in the game but tier 2 isn't where she belongs imo. She's more of a counter pick for AP middles rather then a first pick where as a lot of tier 1 and tier 2 champions you can pick as your first or second picks and be fine. LeBlanc I feel isn't as valued and can't provide as much as one of those champions so I've moved her down.

Kog'Maw moved down to tier 3: Now I am a big fan of AP Kog middle but alas he is countered by a lot of stuff and is more specific to a team comp then just generally running him all the time. So because of that I've moved him down because of his viability not being as good as others.

Fizz moved down to tier 3: Kinda the same feeling I had for Kog'Maw on this one. He's good but I think there's a time and a place for picking him. So because of that I've moved him down.

Mordekaiser moved up to tier 2: HEUHEUHUE MORDE ES #2, yeah yeah yeah. I moved him up from my initial placement. A farmed Mordekaiser is a scary, scary thing to deal with and it just so happens that when pro players play him they almost always get farmed. I was having a little too much solo queue bias going on I think when placing this Brazilian legend and when treating him more like a competitive pick he seems a lot more viable. So because of that I've moved him up.

Zilean moved up to tier 2: People underestimate the power of Zilean a lot. People forget about him all the time. Then out of the blue you'll see a Zil back in action and dominating everything. I did kinda the same thing in my first tier list. I forgot about the power of him in lane, and the power of his utility in a team fight. So because of that I've moved him up where he belongs.

Akali moved down in tier 4: Despite getting some love I just don't feel she's that great in competitive play other then a few niche counter roles on a team.

Swain moved up to tier 3: OH MY GOD, SWAIN TIER 3, ELEMENTZ WHY YOU SO CRAZY, I GO 11-0 WITH SWAIN EVVVVERYDAY! Well that's nice but again it was the first tier list out in a very long time and I overlooked some stuff. Swain can be played viably top lane by a lot of people and can even do well mid vs a lot of champions too. I do feel he's more of a counter pick to a lot of champions rather then a first pick or second pick when deciding who you want to pick. However I feel that he is a counter to a lot of competitive champions so because of that I am placing him at the top of tier 3. (:3)

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The definition of an AP carry:

- These champions are focused around dealing magic damage which is based on "Ability Power" for how much extra damage they'll deal. They focus on casting spells for their damage output versus auto attacking.

- These champions predominantly play middle lane as it's the safest lane to play in game as it's the hardest lane to gank. Often these champions need a lot of farm so they can carry hence them soloing middle lane to get as much farm as possible.

- Some of these champions can also be played top lane but for the most part they will be middle lane.

Don't see a champion listed in the tier list who you consider a good competitive AP carry? It's probably because I don't and other competitive teams don't value them as competitive picks. Want to raise an argument for why a certain champion should be considered for the competitive list just post below and let me know why in a constructive way!

"No one, not even pros, can presume to know everything. Whether they promote or discourage a character is subject to debate at all times. These debates are encouraged in a respectful manner as we're trying to create the best tier lists possible for your enjoyment." Stonewall - Elementz

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Comments

  • #22 Isysar

    Yes.

    ;) She can do anything really. Either one.

  • #18 rishita

    Good work, the tier list is great! I can't say that I disagree with anything listed.

  • #16 Isysar

    Alright, I've actually been reading your tier lists for almost a year and a half now, but I finally decided to register and comment. I'm a low elo scrub (like 1274 elo atm or something), and these lists and explainations have been very helpful.

    This list looks very accurate to me. While I'm low elo, I watch streams about 5 times as much as I play (high elo streams, and also GuardsmanBob and Rexgar. Plugs for them. Those last two streamers are awesome). This list seems to match with what I see on streams.

    But I have three questions. I'm only seeking to understand; not trying to raise hell and say x champ needs to be way higher.

    1) Why is Ziggs so low? I certainly don't see him much, but when I have, he's seemed to have been a good pick. He is in the counter pick category like Swain, Leblanc and Kassadin? Does he have some glaring weakness that I'm unaware of like Katarina (she's awesome, but only if there's no CC). Is he overnerfed or percieved to be overnerfed like Orianna and Akali? Or is his potential just yet to be discovered, or is he just not popular like Xerath?

    2) Why is Annie so high? Again, I'm seeking to understand. She certainly has a lot of burst, and she's a bit tanky; her AoE stun can turn around a team fight for sure, but she seems like she can get torn apart by a lot of lanes because it's very obvious when her stun is up, and she has a short cast range. Am I unaware of some awesome synergy with jungler ganks or something that warrents Annie her spot?

    3) Why is Brand so low? It's been a long time since I've seen a Brand. The only one I know who plays him is GuardsmanBob, and he seems to do rather well with him generally. I'm guessing it's a combination of Brand's shorter range, mostly skill shot (and rather easy to dodge) harass, and his wonky random ult that can hit a champion and then bounce the rest of it's duration off in the wraith camp that makes him so weak. In your opinion Elementz, why is he so low? (I don't want him moved up, I just want to understand your viewpoint more)

    Thanks for all the work you do! I'm really looking forward to the other lists.

     

     

  • #20 Starfols

    Ziggs: He's low to me because he doesn't do that much. His damage isn't bad, but it isn't amazing either. His all out burst leaves a bit to be desired, and his sustained requires landing skillshots. He can do global damage, but it isn't game changing like tf or gp.

    Annie: I don't know, I think ele likes annie. I think she's more of a counterpick/soloq champion at the moment, but as you said, her ult is one of the most disruptive in the game. She's amazing if you can compensate for her weaknesses, but she does have significant weaknesses, which keeps her out of tier 1.

    Brand: He's combo based, all his skills require the enemy to be clumped up to be effective, he's squishy, has very little utility, and has no escapes. He has above average laning, mind, and his full damage can be signifigant, but his long term impact is less than other champions in his role.

  • #21 Isysar

    Thanks for the reply sir. Good reasoning. Thanks for pointing out those things. I appreciate it. I especially hadn't thought about Brand not bringing any reliable utility. Sure, there's the stun on Q, but that's a single target, and could easily hit the wrong target in a big team fight. Good point.

    Last edited by Isysar on 5/1/2012 7:37:23 PM
  • #13 ZymonJustSaidThat

    for me fizz is in tier 1 even if he's nerfed because i discover how to counter ahri, ryze and other tier 1 ap with fizz by using e first instead of using q.

  • #12 Starfols

    Numbered tier lists! My instinctual fear and loathing of things that are different has been averted. I can now sleep sanely at night, and my pitchfork and torches can stay safely in my garage.

    Seriously though, thanks for listening to your community. This is a much cleaner, more complete, and most importantly balanced looking list. You may be back into the swing of things already. 

  • #15 Isysar

    I agree Elementz. I really like this style of tier list better. Thanks for adapting to the community, especially by giving us a video commentary and a written commentary. We aren't as smart as you are (sometimes ;P) so it helps to have your reasoning laid in front of us.

  • #9 L4wnchair

    Hey, thanks for coming back and doing the tier lists again.  Even if people don't say it very much, what you do is really helpful for people like me in the mid-low elo brackets.  Keep it up!

  • #8 Keith1983

    I understand Heimer has problems. I am wonder why he is dead last though? I feel like he can beat many of the AP carries listed above him. I'm thinking part of the problem may be how he fits into a team comp?

  • #10 MerryLane

    Because Heimer depends on his turrets, mostly. You lack mobility.

    Also, Heimer is better in lower elos than highers, because you just have to put two turrets to get 99 pct of your CS. This advantage goes lower and lower the higher elo you get because people are better at last hitting and pushing efficiently the lane.

    He has his advantages, but just be as good with Cassiopea than you are with Heimer and you'll win twice more games ^^ (kidding)

  • #7 zarozz

    AP TRISTANA, i play them and dominate, im pretty sure scarra does as well as has in pro games, " It's probably because I don't and other competitive teams don't value them as competitive picks." - well scarra does.

    Their e has 1 to 1 scaling and does scary amounts of base damage, and reduces healing, surefire was to secure the kill especially combined with ignite. Ulti scales over 1 to 1 ratio hits like a fucking truck 600 base at lvl 16 ( that has to be one of the higher/highest base damages of a targeted spell, besides veigar ult :D). The w does alright damage nothing special but the cooldown reset is amazing, especially if your AP its just AOE bam bam bam. DFP + ignite + e + w + r. That will kill anyone im pretty sure and unless they are fed and somehow have bulk mr. But when u get dfg first item. The enemy mid lane will die. cause in most cases( or assuming u can do a small amount of harrass say an e or 2) you can jump not onto them just in range then dfg ignite e r and they will die. I agree they aren't a hyper carry or anything of the likes. But they are a godlike assasin counter AP. The total damage potential might be less that veigar and le blanc ( not exactly sure). But when i play them it feels the easier to get bulk kills and pub stomp, if enemy mid is in the lane they are dead? oh nice tower jump in insta kill + knock away to let dots kill + keep me safe, jump out.

    TLDR: TRIST ES NUMERO UNO. 

  • #6 jacob7770

    Is this for solo queue or competitive? Because I (along with many others) belive that TF is deserving of T1 in a solo queue list, for his ult allows other lanes to snowball hard, and with the general lack of communication in solo queue its rarely noted when TF ults.

  • #11 RoElementz

    Quote from jacob7770 »

    Is this for solo queue or competitive? Because I (along with many others) belive that TF is deserving of T1 in a solo queue list, for his ult allows other lanes to snowball hard, and with the general lack of communication in solo queue its rarely noted when TF ults.

    Well you could you know. Read lol.

  • #17 jacob7770
    well, competitive can mean in a tournament setting and can also mean in a high (2.2+) elo
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