Bruisers:
Tier 1: Shen, Olaf, Udyr, Riven, Lee Sin, Renekton, Galio (no change and reason listed), Jax,
Tier 2: Irelia, Nautilus, Nidalee, Cho'Gath, Yorick, Darius, Malphite, Shyvana, Singed, Wukong, Skarner, Gangplank,
Tier 3: Warwick, Jarvan IV, Nocturne, Fizz, Trundle, Nasus, Dr. Mundo, Tryndamere, Talon,
Tier 4: Pantheon, Poppy, Blitzcrank, Volibear, Garen
Change Log:
Riven moved up in tier 1 - I feel even in the competitive scene she's stronger then where I had her on my tier list. She's completely annoying in solo queue with the spam dash's and shield and it translates over into competitive play I feel. I had her a bit too low so now I am moving her on up.
Nautilus moved up in tier 2 - I think Nautilus top is pretty good but I am not seeing a lot of competitive teams pick it up yet so I am sort of hesitant on moving him up to tier 1. I like him but I could be just biased in thinking he's better then he really is if no other competitive teams are using him so the top of tier 2 is where he can stay for now.
Gangplank moved down in tier 2 - This champion pretty much is never seen in the competitive scene at all anymore. Makes me kinda sad because I really liked him and I don't think he's as bad as the community can make him out to be. I do feel that a lot of those champions in tier 2 out shine him though so because of that I am moving him down.
Irelia moved up in tier 2 - Had her placed too low. She's still seen a lot of competitive play and has a lot of success still. Simply had her too low.
Malphite moved up in tier 2 - Now I generally HATE Malphite as a champion and I think he's a trash jungler (just imo) but I do feel he is a pretty rock solid top (;3) He's super tanky, got a lot of harass, and setting up ganks with your jungler is very easy with a Malphite in the lane.
Warwick moved down to tier 3 - Now I had him in tier 1 because I felt his lane sustain was great (it is) and his tankyness is awesome (it also is) but there's a big concern about having him top lane that really does lower him down. He can't push his lane very well. He's a single target auto attacker and clearing the wave can take forrrrever sometimes. Yes you can get items like Ionic Spark or Sunfire but even then they don't really fit into WW's build that well. He's not like Shen where he can just AFK in the lane and slow push it in because Warwick doesn't have a global presence and Shen can pop over to any team fight at any time which makes him an excellent split pusher despite not pushing fast. Now Warwick is pretty good in lane but I still feel there are better champions then him for the top lane spot and the added fact that his pushing is really terrible when you're trying to add pressure to a lane. So with all that combined I am moving him down to tier 3.
Darius added to tier 2 - I feel that he's actually not a bad bruiser top lane because of the damage he can dish out early game and the basic "Free kills" as soon as your jungler shows up top lane. His damage out put is CRAZY high and you don't even need to build him super DPS heavy. You can go almost full tank and still dish out a lot of damage, and using your ultimate to finish off anyone who's low. I think he's pretty good so I am playing him into tier 2.
Question: Why didn't you move Galio down from tier 1 Bruiser Elementz?
Answer: I don't feel that he isn't a great Bruiser in fact I think he's a great Bruiser. You all assume Bruisers have to go top lane to be viable and that's not the case. Galio's in competitive play a lot of the time build tank and go mid lane so they can have a safer laning phase. They'll throw a Kennen, Vlad, Swain, etc.. Top to be their AP carry while Galio will fulfill the role of the "Tanky DPS" which is exactly what a bruiser is. Yes he can also be played as an AP carry and also goes middle lane but Galio can also take a lot of top lane matches up when being played as a Bruiser. His ability to tank, cc, and dish out damage when built as a tank is still very good so I consider him a bruiser and I think he's definitely tier 1 worthy.
The definition of a bruiser:
- Often a tanky champion who can absorb a lot of punishment but also dish out a lot of damage.
- A champion with high survivability who's also a melee champion. (Nidalee is the exception as she's hybrid)
- Bruisers often solo top as they have high survivability and top lane is the easiest lane to die in. These champions can also be played middle lane or even sent to 2 v 1 bot when running different strategies but predominantly they will be top lane.
- Champions like Wukong, Talon and a few others can be played mid lane and completely counter a lot of enemy AP carries. Bruisers can be played mid from time to time and should be considered when looking at the bruiser tier list.
Don't see a champion listed in the tier list who you consider a good competitive bruiser? It's probably because I don't and other competitive teams don't value them as competitive picks. Want to raise an argument for why a certain champion should be considered for the competitive list just post below and let me know why in a constructive way!
"No one, not even pros, can presume to know everything. Whether they promote or discourage a character is subject to debate at all times. These debates are encouraged in a respectful manner as we're trying to create the best tier lists possible for your enjoyment." Stonewall - Elementz
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Posted 5/29/2012 9:53:31 PMTo be honest, I think Galio should be in a different tier list than the Bruiser Tier list. You said that he's a bruiser that is often picked to go mid lane, however, even then it contradicts with the idea of "tiers". It's like saying "I'd rather prefer Olaf over Galio" which is NEVER the case, because you would otherwise say "I want Olaf AND Galio". You can't really compare Galio to other common bruisers. Even though you consider Galio a "bruiser" yourself, there is absolutely no comparison to Galio and any other champion on this tier list.
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Posted 5/30/2012 1:30:31 PMI'd like to +1 on this one. Yes, Galio is a bruiser, but it's also hard to compare him to other bruisers when he's taking on a whole seperate lane and matchup.
That said, I can also see the benefit of keeping them sorted by role; as Elementz just said, Galio is usually mid, but the AP carry role is still on the team, in the form of top-lane Kennen or Vlad or so on. So in that particular case, it does matter how Galio compares to other bruisers, since he is still going to fill that role post-laning phase.
What it comes down to is, what is the tier list aimed at? Is it comparing how well a champion does, in their role, against others in that role? (i.e., pick viability: is Galio a better bruiser for your team than Nasus is?) Or is it comparing how well a champion does in the laning phase as well as the teamfight phase? (Galio tends to shine here, since he's got an entirely different set of opponents laning, and he's well-equipped to deal with most of them.)
TL;DR: theorycrafted wall-of-text post.
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Posted 5/29/2012 8:20:13 PMI agree completely with this list, with the Malph jungle, Malph isn't a great jungler and really can only Q gank at pre level 6. Depending on the champ on the lane your ganking, and is pretty squishy at start. He's alot more viable top ,not starting squishy, and needs CS to be effective.
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Posted 6/2/2012 9:21:54 AMI've said it before and I'll say it again. Malphite is a lot better of a jungle pick and does NOT need CS to be effective. With double gold/10 he gets almost as much gold as if he was laning and also gives the top lane to someone that actually fulfills the role of a bruiser while he becomes a full tank. Take this example: Someone picks Lee Sin and you pick Malphite. Who do you want to have the most farm to get damage and not get behind? I would say Lee. Even through that was a bad example since everybody knows that Lee is better both at jungling and top lane (in most ocassions), you get the point that Malphite is a good top laner, but he fits the meta better in the jungle. Also, Malphite will not try to gank someone if they have escapes because he wants to get to level 6 ASAP, so he focuses on jungle duels and farming, kinda like Shyvana or Mundo, except Malphite has tankiness steroids instead of damage. His early damage is pretty good and such but you have to use it while you still have it, because later on, you fall off (only on damage). Also it is only logical that a rock would be squishy. (sarcasm)
I'm not much of a pro, but that's just because I finally got a good build/playstyle with him, and soon I'll start doing loads of ranked matches with him and all o' that.
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Posted 6/12/2012 7:46:14 PMWhere is Kayle?
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Posted 5/29/2012 8:17:10 PMDarius is strong, but definitely does not deserve to be in tier 1. To anybody who says he is "overpowered", please just stop feeding the darius and focus him before he gets too tanky. Thanks.
Also, didn't know Irelia was still that high on the list :S
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Posted 5/29/2012 7:20:38 PMriven moved up huehuehue <3
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Posted 5/29/2012 5:02:45 PMlol IMO malphite is a pretty darn good jungler, because even if his ganks are meh pre 6 you can duel like a beast. Also Darius is the most overpowered champion in the league right now.
Warwick on the other hand... He's not OP, but he doesn't deserve that low of a spot in the tier list. Yeah right he can't push his lane very well but still, he gets basically unkillable later on as well as being severely better on top than in the jungle.
Thats just my opinion anyway, it's not like you're going to take any notes from that ofc.
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Posted 5/29/2012 4:42:37 PMWTF Darius Tier 2? He is outrageous...he should be #1 slot...
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Posted 5/29/2012 4:46:48 PM^agreed
This is like putting release xin at tier 2...
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Posted 5/29/2012 9:13:19 PMObviously you don't play top often. Riven Renek and Lee all harass him to pieces before he can hit them. Shen and Olaf scale better into late game and are pretty much immovable in lane against him because of their sustain(renek as well). Naut and Cho are too tanky, Irelia heals too much, and Yorick...well, we all know how frustrating it is to actually BEAT that guy in his lane. (If you have never had to solo top against a Yorick I feel glad for you, you have to hope that you have an amazing jungler AND that said yorick is stupid to actually win against the guy). So Darius is fine where he is as a solo top. He has some counters, and even somewhat counters Galio+ Jax, putting him firmly in Tier 2. Remember, the tier system isn't OMG THIS GUY WINS ALL LANES! For an example, Jax is tier 1, Shyv Nida and GP are tier 2 yet poppy can decimate them in lane and she is in tier 4. The tier system isn't powerlevel, it's viability.
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Posted 5/30/2012 7:37:26 PMWhat.
Every melee champion atm bows down to Darius's Q. Except Jax, he simply outdamages him at lane.
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Posted 5/31/2012 3:29:43 PMThank you
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Posted 5/31/2012 3:35:32 PMThank You