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I'm sorry Stonewall, but I dont see Vayne in this.

@stonewall Should I build a mundo on wriggles lantern?

you should see a doctor

Dear stonewall: You wrote that the best picks were "highly objective". I know it's just a typo, but you accidentally said the truth. The best jungle picks are not subjective. They are not merely opinion. When you make claims about the reality of what is effective, you are making objective claims. When someone claims that Brand is the best jungler in the game, and when this claim is contested, replies "Well that's just your opinion. I'm entitled to mine too", this person is clearly delusional. I don't like it when people suggest(im not entirely sure this is what you're doing, so i won't accuse you of it) that whats good in video games is just personal prefence alone. You like vanilla, I like chocolate. No. There is good, and there is bad. There is worst. There is best. Perhaps it becomes difficult to see what is best when analyzing the cream of the crop, but there IS a best, because this game has a finite possible number of games, and there is a jungle hero that will win more than any other hero. People are either right or wrong about it.

so im looking to upgrade my invasion to make the enemy jungler shit themself...

Now imho i feel riven and olaf do this so well, beyond riven being manaless, and olaf has early mana issues. what is the big diffrence, why is riven placed higher?

would you say her early game damage/late game beast mode is scary as his. thanks again for the replys stonewall... btw still love to see a video on counter pick reasoning.

You really ought to respond to feedback on your aspect rankings. There are quite a few in your chart that really don't make any sense at all.

For example, since you featured him this time: Amumu's C+ Sustained is kind of a head-scratcher. He gets beat to shit in the jungle until he gets points in Tantrum, he can't heal himself, and he is a slave to mana regen (and thus, blue) because of his skill costs. The small camp mana refund doesn't even pay for a single Tantrum, never mind multiple seconds of Despair. He's a great jungler overall for sure, but C+ Sustained with that kit and liabilities?

With Armor Yellows, the right masteries and Tantrum the minions do minimal damage. The mana you receive from camps is more useful than you would think, because you can clear a camp in a few seconds flat. He isn't even blue depedant at all, just don't spam you E like a maniac or spare your W for a single camp, if you really are having trouble. Compared to someone like Wukong that has to get Lifesteal for even the chance or staying mid-life. All of those problems can be easily fixed with a Philostone. Heck, sometimes I'll build a Elesia's Miracle and another philo, just to be able to stay in the jungle and gank over and over again.

But beyond that the point is that, yes Stonewall's rating are pretty dumb. Nunu has a C? Yet Jax has an C+? Nunu has his bite that heals him and his passive that negates a lot of mana usage!

Ah! Ok, I didn't think aspects like that were considered into the category, now I understand a bit more the ratings.

I quite like Nunu, even in the new jungle, I use him a lot. With the small buffs he received to his attack speed he's a bit faster than before. You can often steal the enemy buff at the start of the game easily, simply because you can dish out about 800 true damage to a minion at level 1. You can save your smite easily and use it for stealing camps or whatever you want. Also with the release of Zeke's which is great synergy with his bloodboil and gives him even more flawless transition into a support role. Not to mention in the PBE patch they are reducing his Consume CD, which, if implemented, will help him even more. The only thing missing is reverting his early Snowball changes they made back when he was dominating at Dreamhack (?).

Overall I think you're placing is spot on. The only things I would change is puttingShaco in tier 2, he's managable and not the true terror everyone is making him out to be, still very good tho. Maybe lower GP even more, I bully him in almost every game I see him in, he needs some QoL changes. Altought he's one of those champs, if keeped unchecked for too long he can carry a team.

Even with Armor, Tantrum damage reduction doesn't make a big difference until it's skilled relatively high. The large minions in particular hit him pretty hard, and he has no way to restore health. Building a Philo helps... and bastardizes his build, since there are more effective items for the cost. Junglers are supposed to get penalized for this.

His speed only exists when he's going balls-out with his mana. He is considerably slower in conservation mode, something that also hurts his health sustain at the same time. Junglers supposed to get penalized for this, too.

The aspects really seem nonsense for some people.

I play Amumu jungle a lot and I don't have the problems you are stating. Philostone is probably the best first item you can get, how in the world is it bad for his build? Shurelias is one of the best items in the game. Start a Regrowth Pendant and a red pot, go back the second you get 365 gold. A gold per 5 item that solves any health and mana problems? Explain to me why it's a bad item path for Mumu? 

What you are saying is boggling in my opinion. 

Tantrum at level 1 reduces, 2 damage, with masteries you get another reduced 4. That's 6 damage reduced per AA. Let's imagine you get Tantrum at level 2. Wraiths are four minions, that a total 24 damage reduction for their total auto-attacks. I'm not even counting the reduction for the armor you receive from masteries-runes-levels and more levels in Tantrum (every Amumu should level that first anyways). That's fucking huge, don't push that aside like it's nothing.