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Shen's  style of pushing is rather unique so i wouldn't really compare them. But i actually have half-decent win rate jungling with smite/teleport YI. Even the absolutely worst games you can sometiems  backdoor win. 

I really think Nunu deserves a better position. His standart potencial is really big, and his win ratio in normal/ranked matchs, is getting insane since the buff. He can run AP, Spell vamp, Attack speed, armor pen, armor, magic pen, what means he is very versatily. He also clear very fast, finishing the first clear with full HP, turning him able to counter-jungle very hard. His transition is also pretty good, remember he can buff the ad carry late game with W. The ganks era pretty good, almost aways with full hp, an almost permaslow with great damage, and move/attack speed buff (dont forget also his bush ganks with R).

You should really reconsider Nunu's position in this tier list (btw, i think he can carry better than lee sin, and do a lot more than Jarvan, Skarner and alistar in the jungle, with a better transition).

Sorry, i've made an misunderstanding.

But please, explain to me why Malphite is not in a better place in tier 1? cause he is really OP at the moment, also being overbanned and overpicked =p his potential, to me, is over almost all tier 1 junglers. His transition, ganks and clear are great. I say the same to Jax... why not tier 1? What are his weaknesses to be exploited that you mention?

btw, i like your lists/posts, thanks and keep doing the fine work ^^

I love you stoneWall... 

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More square the jaw, the better the jungler imho.

How will the Garen change affect his jungling?

After getting ganked by Diana who appeared out of thin air, bypassing the ward with flash>ult>pull , i gotta say her level 6 ganking mind need a bit of a boost, lol. 

I'd definitely argue that Alistar is clear cut better than Jarvan in the jungle.  Jarvans clear speed is hardly better and only gets slower as the game progresses often forcing you to buy wriggles which generally doesn't synergize well with a more tanky jungler like Jarvan.  And given that Alistar's clear speed is his only major downfall, while having ganks matched by hardly any other champion and extremely early too, the ability to become insanely mobile early on in the game which is when it matters most; zooming to lanes in to save the day in super man like fashion, add all this with the fact that his kit allows him to do most of what other champs do and more (I can't tell you how many times I've saved a teammate from a 2 on 1 gank under a tower by knocking the tower target up and headbutting the other away).  Jarvan's ganks are good, but clearly not alistar level.  Jarvan's mobility is decent and again nowhere near Alistar's potential.  Also, Alistar will always be an asset in teamfights fed or not, where as Jarvan is more item dependent and his kit is more useful for ganking single targets in lane than teamfighting.  All in all, I think Alistars just a better pick.  Jarvan himself feels very comparable to nautilus and certainly weaker in most aspects.

I think you should give some credit to tiger udyr. Yes, thats right. Tiger udyr.
Slap AD runes on him and just claim the whole fucking enemy jungle. There is not a single matchup that could prevent you from just walking in there and cuting the enemy jungler into a milion pieces. Nobody can take a tiger udyr in a 1v1 situation. Except for olaf maybe. He's got so much buff and dragon control, it's unreal. Best control jungler imo. Even better than douchebag-nunu.

You're forgetting about Trundle and that oh so deadly AD stealing awesomeness.  And remember, the problem with udyr isn't his abillity to fight, his speed, or his abillity.

It's that newer junglers can do more, easier.   He's still awesome, but he's slowly falling behind due to the whole lack of versitillity thing.  No game changing ultimate, no amazing utillity, and his greatest asset, the speed of the Bear stance, is going out of favor with similar speed in other junglers, or perhaps the CC in supports and ranged carries these days.

Or you know, the OP Mages and those Teleports and dashes they nearly all have or use.

Becaus

Tiger Udyr, meet Trundle. Oh, half of your AD has disappeared, too bad. 

Seriously though, Udyr is good duelist but Olaf, Lee Sin and Trundle will walk all over him , and double-buffed Skarner might as well.

Viktor can jungle? I gotta try it out lol

Well, speaking of Eve, have you tried the build some of us recommended the last time though?

 Release day was full of weird builds, even Lol Pro has some terrible build posted. Maxing E first , making Wriggles and generally building her as AD autoattacker works best for me. Ravage gives you attack speed on the level of YI's ult,  with 9 second cooldown, it'd be a shame not to use and abuse it. 

Well to be honest, a lot of those builds look towards the late game.  AP Eve is a beast, but getting her there requires a lot of cash and is pretty dang hard with how terrible her early ganks and jungle are in AP masteries/runes.

But yeah, that AD Eve tl;dr I posted works rather well as do the variants contributed.  You just sacrifice her ult being a mega team destroying nuke by going AD.  But honestly, if you're jungling to reach 600+ AP on Eve just to ult nuke, you're gonna have a hell of a time getting their with how medicore her early game was... not to mention the trickle down of your uselessness onto the team due to you not giving them that needed advantage.

I also feel like AP and AD both play differently mid to late game as well.  AD seems to rely more on what makes Eve fun in order to succeed.  In other words, being a lion hunting a zebra (killing the wounded or the strays).  AP plays out more like a team disruptive type thing like most champs with aoe abilities.  You drop it in and let all hell break loose.  Sure both can be fun, but I play Eve to be that sneaky douche everyone's cursing out in chat, not to be the pretend Gragas of our team.

This also brings about the hybrids.  I feel like they don't really let her shine one bit.  Sure you get a more powerful ult, but you are benefiting a lot less from your autoattack speed increase, meaning you are less likely to nab those strays or wounded players and more likely to be focused for chasing for longer than you should.  So when that fails, you're stuck trying to play disruptive like AP, but are more or less a constantly stealthed object hiding behind your tank rather than a useful contribution.

Yeah, its not that AP or hybrid is bad in itself, its just that unless  your team is snowballing on its own for 40 minutes, in most games you wont reach the point where it becomes good. Old Eve played AP had exactly the same problem.