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Lulu is a really good supp. A slow, a shield, a control, an ult who heal + control, and she deals a lot of damage with a really good range. She is underrated. But she is weak against soraka, too much heal, not enough damage / Against carry like sivir and cait, who got a better range than her / Leona, who, at lvl 6, can ult on you, and since you're really squishy ... 

Hello! Which is best Support for bot lane in the patch now ( ZED PATCH ) i am playing in EuWest. I like Bliztrank alot because of stoping ults like on kata and can invade. What you suggest me?

There is no " best support ". Ali taric and leona are good against blitz, blitz is good against sona soraka, etc. And it depends of the carry too, he play on a passive way, behind creep, agressive way ? Did he like harass support with some control like sona or full sustain like soraka or full attack like leona ? ^^

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There is no " best support ". Ali taric and leona are good against blitz, blitz is good against sona soraka, etc. And it depends of the carry too, he play on a passive way, behind creep, agressive way ? Did he like harass support with some control like sona or full sustain like soraka or full attack like leona ? ^^

For example if i like to harass what to pick only sona ?

If you like to be safe, playing distance, and harass in the same time, sona is a perfect choice. Lulu deals lots of dmg too. Distance + harass with heal and some control = lulu, sona. Karma and janna deals less dmg but are interesting too. You can also play nidalee, but she don't have control. But her trap are the perfect counter against a blitz. You see him, so grab can be dodge, and he lose lot of hp. 

If you are more on a passive way, or with some char, like ez, people like soraka, especially for mana. But there is a lot who don't need it, mf, ashe, vayne, etc ... 

If you want to play really agressive with sustain, my favorite one is taric. With 20 AP + kage, i deal 50% of the carry HP and i debuff him + buff my carry in the same time with the combo stun + ult + shatter. This combo is one of the more powerful at the lvl 6 of a support. And if you have a good carry ... At lvl 6 it's like a kill 9/10. Favorite combo with taric are taric draven / taric graves / taric mf. And when a blitz grab me, it's just like a joke. He give me an opportunity to exhaust the carry, stun him, and get my full combo on him, and with my carry who's focusing the other carry and not the supp ... It's like free win. 

And about leona blitz and ali ... My favorite is leona. The combo leona/ashe is just damn strong. Leona ult you, ashe crit you with passive, leona stun you, ashe attack and proc leona's passive again, and if you're not dead yet, ashe can ult you and stun you again. And if you survive, leona still got exhaust and her tp+shield --'. 

I don't understand why skarner is in Tier 3 and wukong in Tier 4 and lee in Tier 1

Both are good in jungle, they can gank before 6 with skarner's ms boost and it's the same for Wu with decoy and nimbus strike, and after lvl 6, ganks are just really powerful. And they are good at top too ( yeah, skarner top, i think there's only few people who play him like that, but dammit, skarner is good, especially against melee. With the passive, against melee, you can spam shield and regen, and that ult is just perfect to engage when your jungler is coming. Good against range too with W and R, + E against teemo ). 

Someone sayd that if you ward  blue's entrance and violet's wraiths, wukong can't gank. But it's a fact that 90% of the jungler can't gank with that kind of warding, or you're pushing like hell and under the turret of your ennemy. And even if it's warded like that, there is still a way to gank, it's just risky and people prefer gank somewhere else.

They have control, they are both tanky, the late game for both of them is just awesome.

I think a skarner, top or jungle, is better than a lee sin. In early, lee is really, really powerful, that's true, but in late game i find him so weak :/. In late game, the only thing about lee sin i find attractive : his ultimate who can counter a kennen or a fiddle for exemple. Less damage than many other bruiser, can't engage because he isn't a real tank. And with a good cover, he can't go on the carry since he need his Q. Skarner with a shurelya and W can get a carry easily, wu can rush in the middle of the team with nimbus and ultimate.

And i have another problem ... Why syndra is in the same tier as xerath and brand ? I find nothing attractive about syndra, 90% of the time, her skill are damn easy to dodge, and you can't do an insta kill if you're ganked by someone who have a gap closer, like lee, since i was talking about him. But you can insta kill with brand ( that combo + ultimate + passive + embrase ... ). And xerath, with his range, can easily play safe in all situations. My problem isn't really that xerath and brand are in Tier 3, but the fact that they're in the same tier, with syndra.

The last thing i find weird is that there is 0 support with a heal in tier 1.

Tell me if i'm wrong ^^.

Your wrong.

But no in all seriousness here's what I believe (and just like you this is based off my experience). Wu Kong just isn't that good. He has no escape if some has oracles on (which they should) and armor counters his ult especially given you can't do anything else during it. He's essentially an AD Caster and those are very weak right now. Plus there are wayy better jungle choices. Lee is usually a better choice because he is a strong top lane (near infinite sustain) or a strong jungler (those boss lvl 2 ganks)

Skarner suffers from "Why Bother" Syndrome. As in sure he can be good and has good initiation, but why bother when Maokai and Nautilus can do his job but better with better CC.

Syndra can insta-gib. Poke with Q. Fling Orb. Hit Q then ult/ignite. Can kill most squishies. She's skillshot so she takes practice but she can be a mean bully in lane.

There is no support with a heal in tier 1 because A) there is no room and B) they aren't that special. Support heals the carry and then dies while its on CD cause Blitz/Leona/Alister hit their CC and a carry dies. 

Ok for syndra, it's just that i fought her like ... 5 times, and everytime it was " free mid is free ", especially with leblanc and malza. 

But i still have to disagree on wukong. There's no one who play with oracle on toplane, and if you jungle with decoy you can gank by the lane, bot or top. Mid ... It's difficult, i can't deny it.

But my point is based on after-6. I agree that there is a lot of better jungler than wu, but after 6, he is a good ganker.  In early with team who have control ( a stun mid like annie/xerath or a cage like lux/morgana ) the gank always end with a kill. And in late  game, he deal a lot of dmg, got a good engage, easy to brain ennemies, with an amumu or a malphite, or every guy with aoe ult, you can do some awesome combo. And if you play tank, you don't even need one of them. There is 2 kind of jungler : farmer, who can do there jungle and don't need to gank at lvl 2 to be good after, and ganker, who, if they failed the first gank, won't do anything in the game. For me, Wukong and skarner are farmer, mao and nauti are ganker. 

I like wukong because of his ult. What i play in jungle are principally char with AOE ult and control ( fiddle, malphite, amumu, wukong ... ). The 2 other i play are nasus ( because of his " perma exhaust " skill ) and skarner, and it's only because they both have one of the biggest mono-target control of the game.

Maybe that's the problem of skarner after all ... But i don't like mao jungle. Dunno why ... Maybe because everytimes there is a mao in my game, i play +/- under tower and if he try to caught me i flash far away and kill him under tower. That's true that he is powerful, but his tp is also his biggest weakness. But from my experience, it's true that people who don't pay attention and get gank by mao get killed easily. 

For me, mao is far better as support, with another tank like amumu or galio or malphite, a tank with aoe control. Mao is so .... Mono target =x. Nauti at least got his ult. But with mao, what can you do in lategame, in teamfight ? You caught someone and then ... You're in the middle of the other team and all you can do is use ult to protect your allies, it's more " support " than " tank ". But nauti got a good engage, can't deny it. Lot of control, lot of resist. A massive engage. That's a real tank. 

I will never play mao as a jungler, because for me, he is an awesome support, but still a support, like ali. And that's why i prefer skarner. He has more " jungler " carac than mao, for me at least.

And i have to disagree on the support things to. Taric got everything a support need : a control, a heal, 2 buff/debuff with ulti and shield. By the way, alistar got a sustain too. And when i fight a blitz, i'm just waiting for him to grab me you know ^^. As a support player, i don't play support without sustain.

EDIT : And with the new jungle coming, with more damage and the new item, i think jungler like mao will have more difficulties to gank really soon, so they will get problem in there own jungle, when at the same time, jungler like wukong and skarner, will clean it more easily.

I disagree for Twisted fate. Most of us are in between 800~ and 1500 (i've heard OddOne say that if you are above 1400 you are in the 10 best %). Twisted fate is a weak laner and he hasnt been build to win his lane but rather carry other with hard ganks. But let's face it. At this elo, people are just baaad.

Cant remember the countless time, i ping, then writte in the chat " GANKING BOT", and nobody follows, leaving you 2v1 and fail. No need to say your enemy mid is free pushing your tower while jungler just do wraith and doesnt pay attention.

At this elo, people just dont read chat / Watch map / play with music. I dont think then, that TF deserve such high placement in this ranking. (But i totaly agree that he rocks anywhere about 1500, when people do have map awareness)

My 2 cents.

I don't play ranked much so I know my opinion doesn't really matter much, but I was just wondering why volibear is tier 5. I mean, all things aside, every support voli I've faced has done very well. Maybe it's just because I'm in a lower elo, both in ranked and normal, but it seems to me that a lot of people underestimate his support potential. His passive makes him hard to kill and so he isn't really afraid to walk up to you if make the slightest advance and fling you into his teammate. I was just wondering what your reasoning was behind it.

Voyboy confirm Elise Tier 1 >.<

Hello!

I cant understand something, is this for PBE where they have new patch with new hud and other things ( harder jungle and etc ) or for old one which is still in Eu west? I am playing in Eu west. Sorry but you know.... better ask and feel stupid once than not asking and be stupid forever!

Greetings!

I like this tier list Elementz, well placed. 
I'm especially fond of the Elise placement, as I've been playing a lot of her and noticed how amazingly versatile  one champion can be. Being able to play 3 roles viably and 1 (support) possibly. Her Itemization is so vast and what she brings to the table is great. Zhonyas as a skill, low CD 1.5 Stun :D

So for the most part I agree with all placements.

Weird that Ziggs is Tier 5, like really weird. He's actually seeing pro play in Asia right now (not that this makes him solo queue viable) but he also has a 54% win rate in solo queue. Not exactly what I consider the trash tier. Top 35 percentile is pretty strong.

In fact, I'd go so far as to say this is the worst list you've ever assembled :( and I'm a huge fan. 3 of the champions in tier four are in the top 10 percentile of solo queue stompers. That is just stupid. Really stupid. And removes a lot of credibility from this list. Teemo, Miss Fortune, and Kog'Maw have been destroying solo queue for weeks now, yet they are tier 4. I can see Teemo being low for competitive play, but clear up to 2000 he is like the definition of solo queue champ.