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thats fucking lazy development and no offense a bad idea on multiple levels of riots core design philosophies.  actually your wrong too i would say vi is the largest problem in the new jungle and i havent even been in the game with her yet.

 

damage is more important than ever and she fucking wholops people with a safer clear than most. lee got slower and he has to sacrifice alot of levels to snowball a lane. vi can clear fast as a fallback while lee is much weaker in regards to that option....  shaco is not a problem people just need to fucking learn how to play. he has retarded amounts of counterplay....

 

Furthmore on that note any jungle can get level 3 FROM 1 HALF OF THERE JUNGLE AND ALL OF THEM CAN CLEAR AT LEAST 3 CAMPS DRASTICALLY REDUCING THE POWER OF EARLY INVASION AT EVERY SINGLE LEVEL OF PLAY. Its a easy way to work around invades if your that afraid of it. congrats the shaco/nunu got one of your camps while you back so fucking what its a nunu shaco. dont drop the first drag and your golden.

 

The new jungle is by definition of riots core goals successful which is alot more than i can say about s2 s3 and s4. you can be an unstoppable juggernaut in this patch try buying an early elixir.  They put their foot down and made drastic ballsy changes and i respect that.  The dragon, ww, and tank junglers will be modified to fit, nautulus could just recieve 50 percent damage mitigation from monsters while his shield is active....boom clearing speed, obviously they dont want to do that and want him to still have a weak clear, hecarim could have 100 percent damage to monsters on his q as well as a bunch of other potential changes, sejuani is getting patched soon and, maokai is still having major success as a high pressure jungler.

 

YOUR WRONG flat out... hell even olaf feels like he can contribute in this current meta although damage centric the reverie has added a place for him in this game

Forget lazy development. That's some lazy fucking typing my friend.  Your grammar is Wood V at best, and Cardboard XI at worst. No one is going to take you seriously until you learn how to hard carry the jumbled noise in your brain into coherent sentences.  

 

Since you seem acquainted with Mobafire, here's a guide that's actually worth reading:  

https://owl.english.purdue.edu/owl/section/1/

 

 

 

Damn, that was deserved but harsh.

I do agree that riot did succeed more than in past seasons. Their preseason patch is usually full of drastic changes that get dialed back (remember freaking out about trinkets and ward changes?). I also thought that riot didn't want to dictate who could jungle and who couldn't but the opposite, they want diversity in the jungle. Instead of every game being elise vs lee sin, they want more junglers to be viable. I know I personally don't feel as pressured early (level 2 invades) unless I'm against shaco or nunu (who are known for early invades) so some tank junglers have an easier time clearing.

On the other side of that though, I agree that the first dragon buff creates a huge snowball lead that should be addressed (specially because of cases like pantheon and w.w.).

On topic with the thread, I wish skarner's first clear wasn't as rough. Does anyone else find a hard time keeping healthy as skarner in the jungle?

What about lulu? With on hit she could at least attempt to adc and she is already played a lot mid and top. I think her support is still good and stonewall had her in a video on one of his tier list.

Wouldn't lulu mid do all of that but with better scaling?

Edit: to not be that guy and try to contribute...

I feel like her q takes way too long to be useful damage wise. It's great for zone control and disengage but as an apc mid I thought you would want some kind of damage. Her W feels really unsafe to use unless they jump on you but at that point you would prob just ult. Maybe doing some on hit or sheen build to abuse e?

Correct me if I'm wrong, but the guys talking about his q damage seem to be trying to either play him like an assassin or are putting his numbers up against an assassin. I don't max q for just the damage, I max it for the cd since it's the only way to re-position your soldiers. I think he's really good for a mage but is a bad pick for an assassin (most of the mid's I see play and build to instantly blow someone up). To me Azir feels like zyra that can move her plants around. A huge zone control and sustain damage mage.

On another note, I really like all the tricks you can do with his ult. I know the insec but my favorite is to actually push ppl into a wall so that they keep getting bumped up by the ult.

What do y'all build? I find rao into nashors is great for late game but feels really weak early. Rao and deathcap give a huge spike after deathcap and makes him reasonably bulky. What about a glass cannon build? What would you rush? Maybe double dorans deathcap? I'd like to hear what ppl are trying.

Yeah, cept I feel that the way panth can spam his abilities makes his damage add up. I have the same experience with vi (her w passive lets her wail on people and do really nice damage) and skarner. It's only j4 that I feel almost useless late game outside of good ults (that most of my team doesnt' react to). My solution has been to play other champs xD

I played J4 a lot back in season 3 and had some great success with him; however, every time I play him I seem to do really well early but fall off really hard late (I have better success with panth late). Is this normal? Am I not itemizing right? ( I usually go Eldar lizard, brut, then defensive items) I guess the big thing is that I have a hard time relying on my carries to do dmg but when I build dmg I get blown up before taking someone out (and my carries die anyway). Any suggestions?

I've been playing gnar whenever I'm forced top and I've had some great success up there too! I really like the brut rush then a tank item but after that I'm never sure where to go. I've been hung up on whether to get triforce first or blade of the ruin king. Do y'all decide what to get depending on the match-up or personal taste or am I missing something for one over the other?

This is really strange, I have had a completely different experience than half the people on this thread. I find that while I can't 100-0 people like old kha, I can easily poke someone down (with evolved w), catch people out of position (evolved q or e), or just farm the jungle (evolved w) until I get the items to be able to 100-0 someone. Whenever I play him, its pretty easy to just poke/siege a team with w and wait for the right moment to jump in...and isn't that what you are supposed to do as an assassin anyway? (wait for the right moment to jump in and kill someone). 

I guess on topic, I evolve w first if I need the wave clear (farming jungle, holding lanes, etc) and e if the lanes are not warding or paying attention (easy ganks with the extra range). I need to try q if people are actually in isolation but I don't see a lot of people rotating (until it's too late for them to do anything) just sitting in lane and farming.

I would like to ask, is there EVER  a reason to upgrade kha ult? I was thinking maybe if the enemy team's always grouped and never isolated (for easier/longer re positioning and procing the passive more) but I haven't tried it out. Any thoughts?

I would like to add to this by asking for some tips on laning. I usually like playing a little aggressive but I gave up on this with janna. It's just so easy to sit back and only protect your carry. Does anyone have success with an aggressive style on janna in soloq?

These usually are interesting videos but I had a hard time trying to make it all the way through this one. It's really nice info and I'm sure the lesson helped this elise player a lot but here's why I had a hard time watching it all the way through.

1. For this being a jungle video the camera is on the lanes over half the time. I know reading lanes is important but a lot of the times what the camera is showing is not what is being discussed.

2. The commentary is very specific for matchups with only a couple things that can be generally applied to most games. They discussed a little about placing a pink but most of the commentary were things like "you want to gank ryze early", "bringing exhaust vrs ignite on alistar", etc. Some things were helpful like talking about shutting down the jungle hard by camping bushes and the worth of burning teleport.

3.This is a pretty long video. I know for me it takes something pretty involved to sit through a 30+ minute video. Specially on a video where not everything is going to apply to how I play (I don't play elise very often.)

Hope that helps! Maybe with some formatting this could be really compelling to watch, or it could be cool to do these on a stream?

Edit: The post game commentary was probably the best part of the whole thing, great info right there.