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oh so league is teaching all new players how to play like pussies eh "danger you are at 1k hp and minions are attacking you" 

Well it might be a bit extreme in this case but it's not like getting attacked by minions is an advantage. :D

If u make lucian's range 500 it will be a garbage champion and noone will play it.. Do whatever u want to him tbh I just dont get what ur problem is with lucian when Corki, Cait, Vayne and Graves can beat him if played properly... It's not op it's just a safe pick like Shyvana toplane, orianna midlane, thresh support etc... People just autopick Lucian cause of Caitlyn and Draven vs which Lucian does ok.. You can't just firstpick vayne or kog in ranked for example cause u'll just get destroyed during laning.. He's all around a good pick but not op... Don't turn him to garbage pls..

With Tristana rising on this meta i think Lucian is pretty balanced and more nerfs after this will kill him this should be the final balance for while.

Why kassadin nerfs?

Because he's back into permaban status due to 3s flash and other things

You cannot ever catch a Lucian. That E should not remove slows..

Finally some relevant Lucian nerfs. But his power now comes from his E. At max rank, the cooldown is 10 seconds. So If Lucian, lands an ability and the modified AA's, it'll reduce by 4 seconds. That's 6 seconds remaining. Obviously an adc would last hit. So that's 2-3 more seconds off. Basically it will be up most of the time.

In my opinions I think this balances Lucian, as his E also removes slows like that 70% slow of Braum's Q.

cooldown is now 12 seconds, hitting a champion with lightslinger reduces the cooldown by 2 s not 4, only procs once

so with no CDR its still just 10 seconds

In 12 seconds an adc last hits 5-7 minions. Let's say its an average of 1 minion every 2 seconds. So if Lucian last hits 4 minions (each roughly taking about 2 seconds). Then the cooldown will be refreshed in 8 seconds. That is an 8 second CD on a utility dash move. 

it only gets reduced for proccing lightslinger, so -1s for each aa after a spell, 2s if targeting a champ. so ideally its 2s for each spell against champions, max you can do is 1w and 1 q. so if using all your spells against a champion its 6s cd

From what I tested last night on the PBE, the CDR procs twice: Once per hit, so the best case scenario is 4s reduction when both shots hit a champ

really? thats pretty OP, max cdr its 7.2s, so from E alone it will be a 3.2s cd, just E > Q > E all day long and nobody can stop you. im guessing its a bug

Yes, this is true, but this is all limited to 500 range, which is well within the threat range of most mages and bruisers (Even Swain can hit him at that low range). This is also only achieved with max CDR, which he'd need at least 3 items (CDR boots, Essence Reaver, Ghostblade, on top of the 5% CDR from masteries) to reach this point. This means that he's still relatively vulnerable in the early game (More so than before due to his lower range), but once he hits those three items, he gets a huge mid-game power spike.

In fact, I could see Lucian becoming one of the strongest mid-game ADCs with these changes. However, with the short range, he actually has a weakness now, and he will also not be as strong in the late game due to that.

i honestly think that these changes will buff him. he will have no mana issues and will be able to dash non stop while being immune to all slows. sure he exposes himself, but he would have exposed himself before anyway to some degree to get shots off, now he has insane mobility to outmaneuver anything.

Even at no cdr, a q>w>e combo will shave off 12s, even at lvl 1 that will leave the cd at 4s, he could burst in then dash out no problemo

I seriously think people are underestimating these buffs and overstating the range nerf i like the direction but i do think that its a little too much to be 4s cdr on E, especially now that it cost no mana

Lucian has been balanced since the BT change, 500 range only to be compensated by engage tools is effectly "lose one trade and out of the lane".

BT change wasn't a nerf to Lucian alone. It affected champs like Draven, etc as well.

No, not a single champion relevant to the meta is nerfed as hard as Lucian. He has lose all his mid game power spike and snowballing ability. The most note-worthy thing about Lucian is that BT is the only build path that will makes him powerful. Other build path are just about useful. Triforce Corki is still pretty strong, IE Jinx is still pretty strong, IE Draven is still good, but IE/Triforce/BotRK Lucian are all mediocre.

One do have to realize that the teamfight performance of Lucian has only improved in the sense of probably being a little more safer in general, which is not even that impressive considering the mediocre damage level of Lucian. But his laning phrase becomes so punishable. The kit is just having nothing to win and everything to lose. 

Also, I don't believe Braum is playing such a huge factor to Lucian performance. The Braum-Lucian synergy is not even hitting the Thresh Twitch or Leona Corki standard, it is good but nowhere super good.