So long story short i have been playing a bit of Evelynn over the past few days and i dont feel she is trash tier as a lot of people ive spoken to seem to think. Whilst her burst/early game are subpar at best she is still able to clear 3camps like most junglers and as usual is a strong ganker/counterganker early game who scales decently into the mid/late game with good sustained damage and a strong teamfighting with her passive+ultimate.
What is everyone elses opinions on her? I know she isn't exactly a strong pick but i feel she is far from trash tier.
I dislike her right now. Her main selling point was the burst she had, but that's no longer there. There's also the fact that she's incredibly squishy and dies to a breeze if counterganked. Although due to her passive, I would say she is still pretty decent in Solo, since its much less coordinated there.
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I dislike her right now. Her main selling point was the burst she had, but that's no longer there. There's also the fact that she's incredibly squishy and dies to a breeze if counterganked. Although due to her passive, I would say she is still pretty decent in Solo, since its much less coordinated there.
Well yeh i'm mainly speaking from a solo queue perspective. I find she needs some defensive items early on because as you said she is incredibly squishy. Her sustained damage is not bad once that you finish you warrior enchant so there is no need to rush additional damage items before your Frozen heart/visage. I noticed that a few pros have been trying cinderhulk Eve to mixed success of late so i may try that out at some point though i find warrior works quite well. Riot just need to figure out what they are going to do to her honestly. Do they want her to be a Burst assassin, a sustained damage fighter, a early assassin who transitions into a tank?
Just like Kha'Zix she has been pretty much everything so they need to figure out which one fits her best and push her in that direction.
Well yeh i'm mainly speaking from a solo queue perspective. I find she needs some defensive items early on because as you said she is incredibly squishy. Her sustained damage is not bad once that you finish you warrior enchant so there is no need to rush additional damage items before your Frozen heart/visage. I noticed that a few pros have been trying cinderhulk Eve to mixed success of late so i may try that out at some point though i find warrior works quite well. Riot just need to figure out what they are going to do to her honestly. Do they want her to be a Burst assassin, a sustained damage fighter, a early assassin who transitions into a tank?
Just like Kha'Zix she has been pretty much everything so they need to figure out which one fits her best and push her in that direction.
Yeah she really does need some early defensive items. Personally I go Warrior > Randuin's > TriForce / BotRK > tank items. It works alright-ish.
I've tried Cinderhulk Eve and it felt pretty decent. the only problem with it was that I felt that like I wasn't abusing her somewhat early strengths enough, since damage is the only thing she brings in ganks and if I was going Cinderhulk, I wasn't really doing enough damage.
I agree, on some champions like Eve and Kha'Zix, they really aren't sure of what they want them to be. Personally I want Evelynn to be more of an assassin, with stealth tied to a basic skill like before instead of her passive (which really seems to take up a huge part of her power budget), but then again she feels more like a fighter right now with good sustained damage and an ult that makes her pretty beefy.
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I highly recommend running an Armour Quint in place of an AP and yellows. Take ignite and you should be able to force flash if not a kill from mid/top on your first gank. Ride the snowball from there.
Warrior is not bad for her, but if you're running the 5% cdr in blues one can reach 40% very early by rushing Magus and IBG. This leaves room for Merc/Randuian/GB as needed with a whole slot to spare if you really need some more MR.
Roughly she's good, I'll almost certainly pick her 3/4/5 especially if I know who the enemy jungler is by that point and it's not a team I want to take Yi into.
Evelynn could tickle people and would still be useful solely because of her passive. Not a single champion in the game can pass so many wards and enter the lane unknowing to the enemy, setting up both great ganks and counter ganks. She will always be viable -> great, but I don't believe she is currently OP. Her goal now is to just snowball laners, and be a late game initiater or burst a specific carry.
I've been playing her and going AP. it's been pretty good so far. I go Smite ignite and have usually been able to get a lot of kills. the only problems I have is the initial clear and basic jungle stuff such as my extreme lack of dragon control. it's really good but you have to snowball your lanes and make sure you have CC or enough presence to make up for the lack thereof lategame .
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Sure xi*****(guess who! ) is capable of feeding two starving african tribes for a lifetime but It doesn't mean you blame him when you don't make your own plays when your like far ahead.
64.6% winrate with 3.5 kda, 180 games poolsize, I'd say shes pretty good.
I was watching nightblue3 stream yesterday and he faced an eve with a build similar to yours. Magus>tabi>gauntlet>hexdrinker>randuins>ga. It worked very well. Actually, nb3 tried it next game and he liked it!
I guess people were on a downer with her due to the base damage nerf from when she could go full tank with really high damage.
Then at the start of season 5 when camps did more damage and Ev lacking shields and heals took so much damage you couldn't pressure lanes which is really what Ev is about.
She has had some tweaks since her base damage nerf and jungle changes so probably worth another look, her % damage on her ult should be useful in the tank meta.
That Gauntlet build is interesting, with the Q spam you will be getting so many sheen procs and slows. If you get fed early maybe sheen->TF and just try to flank and asassinate the enemy carries? I'm suprised that guide doesn't take spell weaving and blade weaving, should get full stacks near instantly with Q + E (and ult)
I feel like her buildpath is strange... it "evolved" over the years. AP? AD? Bruiser? Full Tank?
Does tanky even fit with her theme and character? Not at all..
Well even though tanky doesn't fit her character, it works well >.>
And yeah, I think she's probably one of the champions with the most variety of different builds used, ranging from full AP Assassin (with old old old DFG) to AD Bruiser to that weird burning Bruiser Eve build to full tank.
Evelynn could tickle people and would still be useful solely because of her passive. Not a single champion in the game can pass so many wards and enter the lane unknowing to the enemy, setting up both great ganks and counter ganks. She will always be viable -> great, but I don't believe she is currently OP. Her goal now is to just snowball laners, and be a late game initiater or burst a specific carry.
One more thing that makes her so valuable is that she is one of the few champions that pretty much just forces the enemy to invest in at least 1 early Pink ward if they wanted to push safely. And due to her just being in game, it is actually possible to relieve her laners of some pressure from the opponent who wouldn't want to over-extend as much (although this is actually ironically more true in higher elo games compared to Bronze to low Gold ones, where people just over extend anyways).
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I feel like her buildpath is strange... it "evolved" over the years. AP? AD? Bruiser? Full Tank?
Does tanky even fit with her theme and character? Not at all..
Well even though tanky doesn't fit her character, it works well >.>
And yeah, I think she's probably one of the champions with the most variety of different builds used, ranging from full AP Assassin (with old old old DFG) to AD Bruiser to that weird burning Bruiser Eve build to full tank.
Evelynn could tickle people and would still be useful solely because of her passive. Not a single champion in the game can pass so many wards and enter the lane unknowing to the enemy, setting up both great ganks and counter ganks. She will always be viable -> great, but I don't believe she is currently OP. Her goal now is to just snowball laners, and be a late game initiater or burst a specific carry.
One more thing that makes her so valuable is that she is one of the few champions that pretty much just forces the enemy to invest in at least 1 early Pink ward if they wanted to push safely. And due to her just being in game, it is actually possible to relieve her laners of some pressure from the opponent who wouldn't want to over-extend as much (although this is actually ironically more true in higher elo games compared to Bronze to low Gold ones, where people just over extend anyways).
people don't stop overextended until higher diamond. and even then they still do it. they always overextend in plat
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Sure xi*****(guess who! ) is capable of feeding two starving african tribes for a lifetime but It doesn't mean you blame him when you don't make your own plays when your like far ahead.
Just played my first game of her since pre-season 5 and she feels better, not my usual style of champion as I prefer tanks but was fun! Still need to buy a lot of health pots due to the lack of sustain or shields which kind of balances the extra gold the other team has to spend on pinks.
You are surprising tanky (temporarily) when you have resistances and hit your ult on multiple champions, whilst putting out lots of damage onto the squishies, Even when they instantly focus you, due to the ult shield, resistances, Challenging Smite and Hex shield, you survive a long time.
was not one of the n1 rank korean jungler who played only evelynn and he builded 40%CDR full tank and proceed to afk press Q +E and eternal MS boost,they cant escape,and they die faster than you do cause of your spammy nature.
also AP and AD builds both sucks,your dmg is so DPS oriented,you do shit in teamfights,master yi style, clean up potential? so lets sit and be an ult bot.
Tbh I've been playing exclusively full tank Evelynn in the jungle and it actually works crazy well. I go Cinder-Randuins-Warmogs-Frozen Heart. She plays really similar to a high pressure moderate damage tank.
Care to expand on this? What are you doing for a full build beyond those items?
Rush magus with T1 boots in between, upgrade when you can while buying Cutlass and revolver. Finish gunblade. Tanky items as suited (Randuins, Abyssal, Warmogs, Thornmail) theres nothing else to it, except while delaying tankiness you get crazy opening burst against squishies and your E and autos reduce the CD of Gunblade to Ultra Rapid Frenzy mode.
I dont waste time with magic pen because E is physical and Im also AAing a lot, but it does add a lot of dmg to the rest of the kit. Gunblade hurts a lot with Abyssal or Mpen boots and HG
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DiamondSo long story short i have been playing a bit of Evelynn over the past few days and i dont feel she is trash tier as a lot of people ive spoken to seem to think. Whilst her burst/early game are subpar at best she is still able to clear 3camps like most junglers and as usual is a strong ganker/counterganker early game who scales decently into the mid/late game with good sustained damage and a strong teamfighting with her passive+ultimate.
What is everyone elses opinions on her? I know she isn't exactly a strong pick but i feel she is far from trash tier.
I dislike her right now. Her main selling point was the burst she had, but that's no longer there. There's also the fact that she's incredibly squishy and dies to a breeze if counterganked. Although due to her passive, I would say she is still pretty decent in Solo, since its much less coordinated there.
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DiamondWell yeh i'm mainly speaking from a solo queue perspective. I find she needs some defensive items early on because as you said she is incredibly squishy. Her sustained damage is not bad once that you finish you warrior enchant so there is no need to rush additional damage items before your Frozen heart/visage. I noticed that a few pros have been trying cinderhulk Eve to mixed success of late so i may try that out at some point though i find warrior works quite well. Riot just need to figure out what they are going to do to her honestly. Do they want her to be a Burst assassin, a sustained damage fighter, a early assassin who transitions into a tank?
Just like Kha'Zix she has been pretty much everything so they need to figure out which one fits her best and push her in that direction.
Yeah she really does need some early defensive items. Personally I go Warrior > Randuin's > TriForce / BotRK > tank items. It works alright-ish.
I've tried Cinderhulk Eve and it felt pretty decent. the only problem with it was that I felt that like I wasn't abusing her somewhat early strengths enough, since damage is the only thing she brings in ganks and if I was going Cinderhulk, I wasn't really doing enough damage.
I agree, on some champions like Eve and Kha'Zix, they really aren't sure of what they want them to be. Personally I want Evelynn to be more of an assassin, with stealth tied to a basic skill like before instead of her passive (which really seems to take up a huge part of her power budget), but then again she feels more like a fighter right now with good sustained damage and an ult that makes her pretty beefy.
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GoldWarrior is not bad for her, but if you're running the 5% cdr in blues one can reach 40% very early by rushing Magus and IBG. This leaves room for Merc/Randuian/GB as needed with a whole slot to spare if you really need some more MR.
Roughly she's good, I'll almost certainly pick her 3/4/5 especially if I know who the enemy jungler is by that point and it's not a team I want to take Yi into.
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Diamondplayed her, she is really strong right now, you can do ad, ap or tank and she still feels good.
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64.6% winrate with 3.5 kda, 180 games poolsize, I'd say shes pretty good.
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PlatinumI feel like her buildpath is strange... it "evolved" over the years. AP? AD? Bruiser? Full Tank?
Does tanky even fit with her theme and character? Not at all..
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PlatinumEvelynn could tickle people and would still be useful solely because of her passive. Not a single champion in the game can pass so many wards and enter the lane unknowing to the enemy, setting up both great ganks and counter ganks. She will always be viable -> great, but I don't believe she is currently OP. Her goal now is to just snowball laners, and be a late game initiater or burst a specific carry.
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PlatinumI've been playing her and going AP. it's been pretty good so far. I go Smite ignite and have usually been able to get a lot of kills. the only problems I have is the initial clear and basic jungle stuff such as my extreme lack of dragon control. it's really good but you have to snowball your lanes and make sure you have CC or enough presence to make up for the lack thereof lategame .
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GoldI was watching nightblue3 stream yesterday and he faced an eve with a build similar to yours. Magus>tabi>gauntlet>hexdrinker>randuins>ga. It worked very well. Actually, nb3 tried it next game and he liked it!
http://matchhistory.euw.leagueoflegends.com/en/#match-details/EUW1/2068359984/205309373?tab=overview
I guess people were on a downer with her due to the base damage nerf from when she could go full tank with really high damage.
Then at the start of season 5 when camps did more damage and Ev lacking shields and heals took so much damage you couldn't pressure lanes which is really what Ev is about.
She has had some tweaks since her base damage nerf and jungle changes so probably worth another look, her % damage on her ult should be useful in the tank meta.
That Gauntlet build is interesting, with the Q spam you will be getting so many sheen procs and slows. If you get fed early maybe sheen->TF and just try to flank and asassinate the enemy carries? I'm suprised that guide doesn't take spell weaving and blade weaving, should get full stacks near instantly with Q + E (and ult)
Well even though tanky doesn't fit her character, it works well >.>
And yeah, I think she's probably one of the champions with the most variety of different builds used, ranging from full AP Assassin (with old old old DFG) to AD Bruiser to that weird burning Bruiser Eve build to full tank.
One more thing that makes her so valuable is that she is one of the few champions that pretty much just forces the enemy to invest in at least 1 early Pink ward if they wanted to push safely. And due to her just being in game, it is actually possible to relieve her laners of some pressure from the opponent who wouldn't want to over-extend as much (although this is actually ironically more true in higher elo games compared to Bronze to low Gold ones, where people just over extend anyways).
Betrayer... In truth, it was I who was betrayed. Still, I am hunted. Still, I am hated. Now, my blind eyes see what others cannot: that sometimes the hand of fate must be forced! Now go forth... unleash the tides of Doom... Upon all those...who would oppose us.
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Platinumpeople don't stop overextended until higher diamond. and even then they still do it. they always overextend in plat
Just played my first game of her since pre-season 5 and she feels better, not my usual style of champion as I prefer tanks but was fun! Still need to buy a lot of health pots due to the lack of sustain or shields which kind of balances the extra gold the other team has to spend on pinks.
You are surprising tanky (temporarily) when you have resistances and hit your ult on multiple champions, whilst putting out lots of damage onto the squishies, Even when they instantly focus you, due to the ult shield, resistances, Challenging Smite and Hex shield, you survive a long time.
Basic build:
Skirmishers Sabre - Magnus
Merc / Tabi
Thorn
Gauntlet / Hex
Randuins / Banshee
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PlatinumMagus+Hexgunblade+Defensive boots :-)
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was not one of the n1 rank korean jungler who played only evelynn and he builded 40%CDR full tank and proceed to afk press Q +E and eternal MS boost,they cant escape,and they die faster than you do cause of your spammy nature.
also AP and AD builds both sucks,your dmg is so DPS oriented,you do shit in teamfights,master yi style, clean up potential? so lets sit and be an ult bot.
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GoldTbh I've been playing exclusively full tank Evelynn in the jungle and it actually works crazy well. I go Cinder-Randuins-Warmogs-Frozen Heart. She plays really similar to a high pressure moderate damage tank.
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PlatinumCare to expand on this? What are you doing for a full build beyond those items?
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PlatinumRush magus with T1 boots in between, upgrade when you can while buying Cutlass and revolver. Finish gunblade. Tanky items as suited (Randuins, Abyssal, Warmogs, Thornmail) theres nothing else to it, except while delaying tankiness you get crazy opening burst against squishies and your E and autos reduce the CD of Gunblade to Ultra Rapid Frenzy mode.
I dont waste time with magic pen because E is physical and Im also AAing a lot, but it does add a lot of dmg to the rest of the kit. Gunblade hurts a lot with Abyssal or Mpen boots and HG
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