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Just give a small buff to cleanse (cdr reduc) and don't change Veigars E

If you turn Veigars Q into a skill shot you might as well deleted him. Also make Nasus Q a skill shot for extra fun.

The mordekaiser changes actually do nothing if you play it. He does NOT gain any shielding whatsoever, indeed the changes seem to not work at all. I'm not sure if this is just supposed to be tooltip changes or if it's just bugged, because it says it's supposed to shield him. But again, IT DOESN'T ACTUALLY SHIELD HIM ON PBE RIGHT NOW. His only changes on pbe are to his COOLDOWNs his RATIOS and his COSTS. Riot should really look at this.

This does change Mordekaiser. I'm pretty sure that his shield currently increases based on a % of the damage dealt. Now, Mordekaiser's shield is built up based on his maximum health. MEANING that damage Mordekaiser won't be generating his shield as rapidly as a HP Bulky Mordekaiser. Though,I think this may help towards his shield generation in the early/mid game, but past that it'll probably more difficult to pull off favourable outcomes in situations where Mordekaiser could have probably won before the change, due to the fact his shield won't generate as much if you built the damage path.

yeah but now hes like sion without the CC or, lol, mobility.

he is still one of the only champs in the game that has absolutely no crowd control

and when you look at the other champs with no CC, they all have INSANE mobility to compensate! (ezreal, nidalee, corki, lucian, sivir, yi, kat, fiora)

What made him playable was the ability to steal their carry and anihilate them with burst, now he has no burst and no way to increase uptime on his target. no CC no mobility, super tanky, this is the perfect combination for a champ that the whole enemy team simply ignores. there is absolutely no point in attacking him, just walk away and watch him struggle.

There is very little decision making in his kit, its just press all the buttons.

They need a serious rework for this guy, this is an absolutely horrible rework and im the guy who usually defends riot (stuck up for all the unpopular reworks last year)

2 easy fixes are adding a small suck effect to E (think reverse maokai Q) and make W targetable on enemies (makes no fucking sense to target allies) then it would be a successful rework in my eyes

The thing is that Riot openly identified Mord as a complete CC-less champion and didn't actually want to give him CC. Some fans actually agreed as well since they said it was his identity. It would be nice if he got increased MS when running towards his Ghost/target of ult though, that'd help a lot. Maybe even ignore colliion during this time.

thats a pretty crappy identity though, its just a drawback, its a non-compelling identity that doesnt suit his true identity.

I mean being a champ with 0 mobility is also his identity if thats what qualifies, and thats also a shitty identity, so to me that doesnt pass as a feasible identity.

 

To me, his identity is a hulking black knight who feeds off pain and suffering to bend foes to his will using the power of death and metal.

Nothing about that screams this guy shouldnt have CC, in fact the contrary is true!

Also the debt for no CC allows for a huge power budget for mobility, look at EVERY SINGLE OTHER CHAMP WITH NO CC! they are some of the most mobile champs in the game! (nid, EZ, lucian, yi, kat etc)

 

In my opinion, low mobility is more core to the hulking heavy metal knight with a mace than no CC if we are really going to count those as 'identities', its really not something worth preserving.

 

Also consider the implications of how an unkillable high sustained damage tank will function in combat: it wont. With no CC and no Mobility he will have no way to participate in a fight, whats more, because he lacks anything that makes a champ good, his stats will need to be through the roof good, like insanely good, which means the best option to deal with him is to simply not. just avoid the guy. He cant lock you down, he cant chase you, just ignore him and he cant do a single fucking thing about it.

 

So basically he just functions as a walking no go zone, because the risk of fighting him is to high and the reward is too low. he becomes an incredibly low priority target (unless he has obscene damage) which means his tankiness goes to waste.

 

And talking about identity, his W goes strictly against his core creed, which is to inflict pain and suffering. he doesnt want to reduce the pain his allies recieve! imo W shouldnt be able to be targeted on allies but rather enemies, which can work perfectly to isolate a priority target, which is exactly what he wants to do for his ult.

 

So all up, legacy is a shitty reason to not make sound changes, the guy needs CC.

not doubting that, he will be able to happily fight large groups solo no problem, my point is, with that much power the only viable choice for the opponent will be to ignore him, ie when hes pushing mid, just walk off and push top and bot because he will be able to fuck up your front line on his own. thats the problem with kits like that, no mobility and no CC mean he is just this walking zone that enemy players have to choose to not get too close to.

Im not saying he will be weak, He wont be, what im saying is that since he has nothing on his kit to benefit the team, he will need to be too strong with obscene damage and tankiness, which he will have, however he lacks any of the 3 major things that a compelling champ needs: Range, Mobility, Crowd Control.

All im trying to say is that for his pathetic kit to work it needs to have ridiculous stats. not being able to kill him and him being able to solo the front line are bad things! being that strong with no gameplay  leads to a boring play experience for both sides where the correct choice in all situations is to just not fight him

they made his q hit 2 targets now ... which means you can farm at least 2 low lvl creeps and even tho they lowered the damage on it you can hit multiple ppl instead of 1... the only thing that actually got a nerf is the e. read my g read.

So Q buff, W Buff, Horrendous E nerf, and R nerf(10s ult cd and mana cost reduction doesn't matter. The extra 100mana on the ult as current is nothing because of how you build Veigar.) WTG Riot. #sarcasticapplause

Yeah, Gragas and Sion rework were so successful, that they get barely played any more. Just like all the other champions. Yeah, they mihjt be more 'fun' now but they all lack power.